Warbird Information Exchange

I have created a section for New Zealand...
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/Locator.html#NewZealand

If anyone here can point out an omission, has additional info or has spotted an error, please post here or let me know at...
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocatorForm.html

I am working on a section for Australia I should be able to have it completed (as complete as I can make it) by the end of the week and will likely be asking you here to give it a review.

Regards,

Mike Henniger
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

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Mike,

The CAF Wing is located at Dairy Flat, North Shore, north of Auckland
(the seperate entry locating them at Auckland is a double up, but there was a Christchurch wing in the South Island located at Harewood - Christchurch international Airport - they had a Harvard. I'm unsure if they still exist)

Here's a Smaps map of Dairy Flat. Note this is on the northern side of Auckland Harbour - zoom out on the map to see. The airfield is marked with the aircraft. Other collections are also located on the airfield as well as North Shore Aero Club and private operators, etc.
http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/north+shore/dairy+flat/




The Auckland War Memorial Museum is right in central Auckland city. It is on the hill located in Cornwall Park, Greenlane, about three minutes drive from Auckland's main street, Queen Street. The museum can be seen from most parts of the city as it's elevated.

Smaps map
http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/auckland/gree ... rk+avenue/




Re Ardmore Aerodrome - AvSpecs is a business, not a museum. It is not open to the public, but visits can be arranged. There is no Sea Fury at Ardmore, nor in NZ and has not been for some years. It was sold abroad to Australia. The Spitfires, Mosquito and Sabres are all being worked on by the AvSpecs company and are not 'exhibits'. The only Venom stored there is well away from public view and has not been flown in years as far as I'm aware. Aslo the P-40's there now are all under restoration by AvSpecs and Pioneer Aero respectively. The active examples are now based at Wanaka and Masteron I believe, unless this has changed.

There is a C-47 active at Ardmore, and a P-51D. Several Harvards, a couple of Ryans, Cessna Dragonfly, Beaver, Chipmunks, T-28, Tiger Moths, Catalina, etc. Most of these are owned by syndicates under the banner of New Zealand Warbirds.

A smaps map of how to get to Ardmore
http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/papakura/ardmore/

And a map to help locate the airfield is found on the aerodrome's offiical site
http://www.nzar.co.nz/locationmap.cfm

Plus a list of all the businesses there
http://www.nzar.co.nz/BusinessListing.cfm

A note, the best way to get to Ardmore off State Highway One (the Motorway) is the Takanini turnoff. However for some inextricable reason the airfield is only signposted on that turnoff from the north and not if coming from the south. Once you've exited the motorway on the Takanini turn-off you need to turn into Walter Strevan's drive from where it is signposted.



The Museum of Transport and Technology has two sites relevant to aircraft enthusiasts, Motat 1 and Motat 2.

Motat 1 is located on Great North Road from memory. Here you will find both original and replica aircraft depicting Richard pearse's early designs. Also a lot of airline memorabilia, space stuff and also some interesting early pioneer stuff like Jean Batten memorabilia.

Motat 2 is also known as The Sir Keith Park Memorial Airfield. Go further down the road, past the zoo to find it (go by tram, it takes you to the gate!). There you'll find a genuine Battle of Britain film Hurricane replica on a pole. Indoors is a Lancaster, Solent, Tiger Moth, Magister, Vampire, P-40E, Mosquito, Ventura, Rapide, Fox Moth, Avenger. Electra, Tui Sports replica, Turbo Fletcher, Airtourer, and several homebuilds and gliders and other things plus excellent displays of models, uniforms and all sorts. Outside there's a Hudson, Lodestar, Sunderland, and DC-3 awaiting a roof that's being planned for them.



The Classic Flyers Museum at Tauranga is well worth a visit and is growing steadily. Another flying Devon is joining that airport this week, moving from Ardmore. The museum has two Hunters, one of which flies. there's also a Pitts Special hanging up in the museum. Plus they're restoring a Heron, a rare bird indeed. Probably a lot more since I was there too. I think they have a Stearman too.



The 'Spitfire' in Hamilton is a GRP replica. It was erected in November 2005. It is located at Perana Park (marked on the map as Soldiers memorial Park). which is the site of Hamilton City's Cenotaph. To find it, it is on the southern end of Memorial Drive, right next to the Waikato River on the eastern bank, around the corner from
the Bridge Street bridge.

http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/hamilton/hami ... ial+drive/



The Gisborne Aviation Preservation Society is based at Gisborne Airport (also known as Darton Field). The Avenger belongs to the RNZAF museum and is on loan to the No. 30 Squadron and Servicing Unit Association Gisborne Branch.

Note airport location on the map
http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/gisborne/



The DC-3 at McDonalds restaurant at Taupo is located on the corner of Robert & Ruapehu Streets, Taupo. It's easy to find. Follow the Golden Arches as they say.
http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/taupo/taupo+c ... hu+street/



Mangaweka, in the Rangatikei region, is not even a village, just a pinpoint on the map really. You pass through it on State Highway 1. The ex-Europa service station is now just a cafe, no petrol. The aircraft used to be painted to advertise Rangitikei River Adventures from memory, but now only advertises Cookie Time biscuits.

http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/rangitikei/mangaweka/

See both the Mangaweka and Taupo C-47's here
http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/dakota.html

The RNZAF Base Ohakea Museum is located right out the front of the base, on a little pull off from State Highway 1. The base is about half an hour drive north of Palmerston North, and is actually situated just south of bulls, just north of Sanson. So if you're travelling past and hit either you're either nearly there or blinked and missed Ohakea.

http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/manawatu/ohakea/

I handn't even heard of that Paraparaumu museum. I hear there is one a museum to civil aviation at Milson aerodrome, Palmerston North, but not seen it. And also a museum at New Plymouth, Taranaki that has some aircraft such as a crashed Oxford.

See here
http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/museums.html

Paraparaumu airport
http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/kapiti+coast/paraparaumu/


Masterton
http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/masterton/

Ferrymead has a Vickers Viscount, a Sunderland cockpit, a Bristol Freighter Cockpit as well as a whole one, and the DC-3 is actually one of those long nosed US Navy Antarctic ski versions.

The RNZAF Museum, Wigram's Bleriot XI is a replica.
They have two Canberras, one is disassembled but on display.
What's meant by H-2?
It should read Westland Wasp. Not Westaldn.
They also have a Seasprite, a P-40E, an oxford and a Vildebeest.

there are dozens of WWI and WWII aircraft at Omaka of course, including P-40's, P-36, and all sorts of goodies.
http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/marlborough/omaka/

I believe the Founders Museum at Nelson also has a civil Sioux helicopter, one of NZ's first helicoters, donated by Nelson-based Helicopters NZ Ltd.

The NZFPM and the Toy and Transport Museum (plus a few other things including a brewery!) are at Wanaka Airport, Luggate.
http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/queenstown/luggate/

however the toy and transport museum does not have a Hudson nor a B-57. It does have a Lodestar and an ex-RAAF Canberra, plus an Airtourer.

http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/queenstown/luggate/



That Gore Air Force Museum is an oddity. there never was an Air Force base there during WWII so it's rather unusul.
http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/gore/gore+eas ... nd+street/

I hope the above helps.

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Thanks Dave,



Roger that. Fixed.



I noted the possibility they are still there. Maybe someone will come along and confirm or deny.



OK I found the park. It was actually a few blocks south of the location you gave. When you have a chance could you take a look at the satellite image for the map link and let me know if I need to go north or south etc.? Or center the map on the exact spot by zooming in and double clicking on the spot, then click the email option and send me that link.



I have updated the entry.



I have that one down as “New Zealand Warbirds Association”.



OK… So what I had list was MOTAT 2. I added an entry for MOTAT 1.



I had an entry for that one. I corrected the location names and added to the aircraft types list.



I have added the name of the park to the entry. I have also slightly moved the map reference. I have it noted as “sight” which means it is very close, likely within eye sight. The Google satellite images for the area are very poor so I can’t get it exact.



I had the entrance to the airport in the map link. I was actually looking for the exact hangar (not knowing how well buildings are marked).

If you happen to know the exact hanger, could you use that Google Maps technique I mentioned above to get the map link via an email?



Thanks. You confirmed the location I had was correct.



Thanks. The satellite images for that village are very poor. I will not be able to do any better for a location than what I have listed.



Based on your description I moved the map link to a location which appears to be a main entrance. The satellite images in that area are good, but I don’t know which building in the right one.



I could be dealing with information that is very out of date. I have added to the comments to suggest there may not be such a museum. Since you haven’t heard of it I would not be surprised.



Finding towns using Google services is very easy, I just don’t know where this new museum in the town will be located.



Added.



I believe the H-2 is the Seasprite. Additions and corrections made.



Added.



however the toy and transport museum does not have a Hudson nor a B-57. It does have a Lodestar and an ex-RAAF Canberra, plus an Airtourer.

http://www.smaps.co.nz/nz/queenstown/luggate/ [/quote]

So no aircraft at all?



Yet another case of poor satellite images, but the map reference should get a visitor close to the museum.



It most certainly does. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Do you happen to know of any pole mounted aircraft or planes in parks that are not listed?

Mike

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The Argosy near Blenheim is just north of route 6:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ie=UTF8&om=1&z=18&ll=-41.512245,173.858412&spn=0.00276,0.004978&t=k

Presumably this url means 41.512S, 173.656E

There's also the Wessex at the off licence in Christchurch although that's now on its way to Ferrymead

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ie=UTF8&om=1&z=18&ll=-43.536159,172.64622&spn=0.002672,0.004978&t=k

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Another memorable spot is the plane motel (Bristol Freighter) near Waitomo Caves

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ie=UTF8&om=1&z=18&ll=-38.254354,175.118782&spn=0.002894,0.004978&t=k

http://www.woodlynpark.co.nz/

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No problem mate.




I was a little confused by the Smaps map i have to admit. It's a real messy area to drive around there as it's hilly and streets go all directions.

The One Tree Hill park where your Google map poiter is pointing to is not the location. Look above that and you'll see Auckland Domain (which includes Cornwall Park, and Alexander Park). It's there. From Auckland city, cross Grafton Bridge and turn left just past Auckland Hospital, and you're in the park. Follwo the road around and you can't miss the Museum on the hill to your right.




Yes, I noted that. I thought I'd point out what's there to see. this is not a museum by the way, it's an active hangar. If you go on any fine Sunday you will see some of the aircraft flying. And though not a public museum, the Warbirds guys and girls are very friendly and welcoming to the interested public, so long as they respect the aircraft and rules.



Yep. There's actually a lot more at Motat 2 than I've listed, in the way of aircraft. I just can't recall them all. There's a Miles Gemini, a Beech Kansan photography aircraft, and lots more.



Yes, i had no problem with your entry, just wanted to promote this new museum a little for anyone coming to NZ.



Sight, hehe, you'd be surprised how many people have gone past it and not seen it, and the camouflage blends into the trees so well. See some photos I took here
http://forum.planetalk.net/viewtopic.ph ... e+hamilton




I'm not sure as I have not been to that airport since the museum started, but I do know someone who has been and will see if he can help.




No, there's not a lot to see there apart from the Dak.



The museum is just outsdie of the base entrance. it has been a while since i lived there and the memory is fading but I'm fairly sure that it is the long building I have circled in this photo.


I will check this on my NZ forum and confirm though, and get back to you.




It could well be true, I just hadn't heard of it (I don't think, unless I was getting the Milson museum mixed up with this).



My understanding is that the museum is located in a hangar at Hood Aerodrome, not in the town.

http://www.svas.org.nz/pages/the_svas_m ... cument.htm




Ah, I'm not up on all these American letter-number abbreviations. We generally call aircraft by their names rather than codes here. Thanks.




So no aircraft at all?[/quote]

Yes, the Lodestar, GAF Canberra and Airtourer as mentioned, plus the AN-2, Mig, etc...



I'm yet to hear from anyone who's visited that place. I'd like to hear what it's like.

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The only pole mounted aircraft I know of in NZ are the Harvard at Pahiatua which has been converted into a kid's slide. The Harvard at Wigarm's gate entrance. The mock Spitfires at Harewood and Hamilton. And the mock Hurricane at Moatat. I can't think of any others.

There used to be a shop on broadway, Newmarket, Auckland that had the back half of a plane sticking out of its top floor wall like it had crashed, as a gimmick. It was some general avaition thing, Piper or Cessna or something boring. I don't know if it's still there.

There is a C-47 at Mystery Creek's agricultural museum. It's apparently in very poor shape as it was a topdresser and the superphospahte has corroded it.

The Argosy Tony mentions is actually at Woodbourne, 6km west of Blenheim. It sits behind the Arcosy Cafe's which used to be Woodbourne Shell petrol station when I lived there.

Harewood (Christchurch International) is a good place for spotters as the RNZAF and US operate from there, there are aklso a number of aircrfat in storage there usually, and there's a little bit of warbird restoration going on if you know the right people to show you.

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Mike, it seems I was totally wrong about Ohakea Museum's building, sorry.

See here
http://rnzaf.proboards43.com/index.cgi? ... 934&page=1

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Tony: You are correct, but if you would prefer to send coordinates in the future include all of the decimal places. Dropping three decimals places can place you miles from the intended lcoation.

I have updated the entry gents.



I now have…

DC-3, Mosquito, Hudson, Bristol 170, Flying Flea, Vickers Viscount, Sunderland, Bristol Freighter, Bristol Freighter cockpit, Westland Wessex

…for Ferrymead. Is that a complete list?



Got it!

Re: Auckland War Memorial Museum


I think I have it. Could you check out the new map link and confirm?

Re: New Zealand Warbirds Association


Noted.

Re: RNZAF Base Ohakea Museum




Got it!

Re: Masterton


Re: H-2 Seasprite


No problem. I am trying to standardize on the letter-number system for the Locator since will help keep the database small and help make search results consistent. I am thinking of the database version of the Locator which I am working on.

Re: Toy and Transport Museum


Check.



Is this it?
http://www.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=4 ... =1&iwloc=A

BTW… It is this kind of info that is gold.



Tell me more about the Hamilton example. Is it part of the Ansett Museum?

Does Ansett have a DC-3?



I have made an entry for that one. Again the satellite image for the area is poor, so I can’t nail it down, but I think I am close.







I have been very much impressed by the level of participation on this one. I did post this on another discussion board, so I expected a few more entries to modify, but when took at look at my inbox I had 11 emails on the subject waiting for me to process. This will take a while. Not complaining though.

Thanks for the contributions everyone!

Mike

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Sorry Mike, my spelling there was a typo, it is of course the Argosy Cafe. You probably worked that out I hope.




That's a Sunderland cockpit, not a complete aircraft. I'm also racking my brain to think whether they have a complete Bristol Freighter and a cockpit section, or two cockpit sections. I know one froms the entrance to one of the hangers and the other larger portion is inside that hangar - can anyone confirm if that's a complete airframe? It's been a while since i was there.



Yes, that's the correct site.




Yes, that's the place. The aircraft is at the northern end of the main street and easy enough to find.





Er, what? The Hamilton Spitfire replica is the war memorial as discussed earlier, in Perana Park. I have no odea of an Ansett Museum. Ansett New Zealand went bust years ago, as did i think Ansett Australia. They were never that big in NZ and certainly never operated DC-3's here (or Spitfires for that matter). If there is an Ansett Museum it'd be in Australia where Bob Ansett was from I'd think.



Not that close, you've listed Mystery Creek under Australia! It's about ten minutes from where I'm sitting, in NZ.

I think where your map points to might be Mystery Creek Road, but not Mystery Creek. I haven't time to look at the moment for the exact location but it's just east by about a km or two from Hamilton Airport (Rukuhia). It's out in the countryside whereas your pointer is in the heart of suburbia.




No worries. Glad to help.

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Just a couple of minor things at this point, when I have more time I will come back with the map references and other info youre after.............

-Auckland not Aukland (not to be too petulant I hope)

- The Auckland war memorial museum is in the Auckland domain (an entity on its own) and is not part of Cornwall park (which includes the One tree hill domain and Alexander park.)

-The South Island Sqdn (the Penquin sqdn) of the NZ wing of the CAF has been defunct for a number of years, their Harvard was transfered to Dairy Flat and then subsequently sold to Australia where it has been restored to airworthy (serial # and reg escape me at the moment)

-The Toy and Transport museum in Wanaka also has a Devon, Percival Prentice, SE5 replica, Auster, MIG-21 and AN-2.

-The museum in Paraparaumu is possibly the Southward Car museum which has a Tiger Moth, Vampire and a Bristol replica from the movie "Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines".

-The Gore Air Force Museum has a Tiger Moth, Embraer Banderantie, and an old Dung Dropper (Agwagon?)

- Ferrymead has two Bristol Freighter nose sections but no complete example.

This is just off the top of my head, more detail to follow.

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Wow, has it really been that long since I last visited?

Thanks for clearing up those points Marcus.

Sorry about my total confusion over the parks in Auckland. My mistake entirely. Not being an Aucklander I just got confused.

Thanks for clearing up the Ferrymead Bristols too, that had been nagging at me and doubt had crept in.

Have you been to the Gore Air Force Museum?

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This is the Bristol nose section at Ferrymead looks like.



The other Bristol is just the top part of the cockpit section (the bit above the clamshells).

Cheers,

Brett

Hi Mike,

Just to clarify the confusion about the Ferrymead stuff (I know it's easy for a north islander to get confused Dave so I won't say any more) the correct inventory is

R4D-5L / LC47H (but please never a DC3) BuNo 17221
Vickers V807 Viscount ZK-BRF
Cockpit section Lockheed L1088 Electra ZK-TEA
Nose section Bristol 170 Freighter ZK-CRK
Cockpit deck Bristol 170 Freigher ZK-AKY
Lockheed Hudson NZ2035
North American Harvard III NZ1058
Cockpit Short Sunderland NZ4112
DeHavilland Mosquito FB6 composite NZ2328/NZ2382
DeHavilland Vampire thought to be NZ5758
Piper Apache ZK-BLO
Hughes 500 project assorted sources
Hughes 300 project assorted sources
Hiller 12E project ZK-HKU
Westland Wessex 60 identity still to be absolutely confirmed
Transavia Airtruck
IMCO Callair B1 assorted sources
Piper Pawnee ZK-BZK

Please delete all reference to the Flying Flea that left years ago.

cheers

Yep. Made a good guess on that one.







Mike

Thanks gents. I have made the appropriate adjustments to the entry.



OK. I changed the map label from “Area” to “Map”.

Re: Harvard at Pahiatua


Check.



Well don’t I feel silly? Fixed.



OK. The website doesn’t give me much to go on. I’ll leave it where it is for now, but when you get a chance sometime, let me know where I should move it.



Fixed! You can be as petulant as you would like.



Fixed.



Fixed.



Added.



Good enough for me. I suspect my original source was out of date anyway. I have modified the entry.



Added the aircraft. How is the map reference?


Thanks again gents. This is all good material. I just uploaded an update, but now I have another pile of emails to through. More to come.

Mike

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Regarding Mystery Creek, SSW on the map from your pointer (or perhaps 5 O'Clock direction if that helps, and go down a few inches, or about 8cm on the screen. See the State Highway 3 symbol on the road heading sort of North-South? Off that road is Airport Road, and that leads to Mystery Creek. You can't miss it. It's right next to the airport.

If you're still confused, draw a line directly between Hamilton and Leamington and look along there, it's about halfway.

In the back of my mind I have a feeling that perhaps the James Aviation Tiger Moth might also be at the Mystery Creek Agricultural Museum. I'm not certain of that. Anyone else know?

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