Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:38 pm
King wrote:Steve may take it east, but not that far.
Time will tell...........
Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:39 pm
Why? Aren't these kinds of flights done all the time, in old warbirds even?King wrote:I bet the insurance carrier would be happy about that.
Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:50 pm
Well RATS...I can't even get away with an attempt at humor here. As we say on the comedy circuit...."This IS a tough room."
Mudge the anti-comic
ps. If he's not there with GG, we're not going......
(Unless Mrs. Mudge says we are.
)
Mudge the anti-comic
ps. If he's not there with GG, we're not going......
(Unless Mrs. Mudge says we are.
)
Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:23 pm
Must be that odd sense of humor Mudge... Some day we'll catch on! 
Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:29 am
That whole flight would have made it just fine if they had a GPS.
Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:33 am
I would vote no to doing this flight. You need this aircraft to perform pretty flawlessly on this entire trip. A trip this long, and rough is asking alot of this aircraft and it's power plants. And if it crashes what are you going to do? Go pull out of the ice again. I am all for flying warbirds, but I think this is a little to much to bite off.
Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:02 pm
mustangdriver wrote:I would vote no to doing this flight. You need this aircraft to perform pretty flawlessly on this entire trip. A trip this long, and rough is asking alot of this aircraft and it's power plants. And if it crashes what are you going to do? Go pull out of the ice again. I am all for flying warbirds, but I think this is a little to much to bite off.
How do you think the ex-Doug Arnold P-38 got to the UK? And back again? The Plane Sailing and TFC Tigercats? And now TFC have sold theirs, how do you think it will get back to the USA in the spring? The Mosquito (ex-CAF) that's now at Dayton, or Kermit's example? How do you think the Bearcat with TFC, the P-51 now with OFMC at Duxford, the various B-25s, A-26s and PBYs in Europe, or the B-17s for 'Memphis Belle' got there? And when John Paul's P-40E was operated by OFMC at Duxford some years back, how do you think it got there?
Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:16 pm
Mike wrote:
How do you think the ex-Doug Arnold P-38 got to the UK? And back again? The Plane Sailing and TFC Tigercats? And now TFC have sold theirs, how do you think it will get back to the USA in the spring? The Mosquito (ex-CAF) that's now at Dayton, or Kermit's example? How do you think the Bearcat with TFC, the P-51 now with OFMC at Duxford, the various B-25s, A-26s and PBYs in Europe, or the B-17s for 'Memphis Belle' got there? And when John Paul's P-40E was operated by OFMC at Duxford some years back, how do you think it got there?
I dunno. Teleportation? Alien technology? Space warp?
Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:20 pm
Mike wrote:mustangdriver wrote:I would vote no to doing this flight. You need this aircraft to perform pretty flawlessly on this entire trip. A trip this long, and rough is asking alot of this aircraft and it's power plants. And if it crashes what are you going to do? Go pull out of the ice again. I am all for flying warbirds, but I think this is a little to much to bite off.
How do you think the ex-Doug Arnold P-38 got to the UK? And back again? The Plane Sailing and TFC Tigercats? And now TFC have sold theirs, how do you think it will get back to the USA in the spring? The Mosquito (ex-CAF) that's now at Dayton, or Kermit's example? How do you think the Bearcat with TFC, the P-51 now with OFMC at Duxford, the various B-25s, A-26s and PBYs in Europe, or the B-17s for 'Memphis Belle' got there? And when John Paul's P-40E was operated by OFMC at Duxford some years back, how do you think it got there?
The wrong way, is mustangdriver's point I believe. What's yours? That others have taken foolish risks in the past and therefore it's okay?
August
Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:56 pm
k5083 wrote:The wrong way, is mustangdriver's point I believe. What's yours? That others have taken foolish risks in the past and therefore it's okay?
Quite right. We should lock them away in museums and not take the 'foolish risk' of flying them.
Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:32 pm
Mike wrote:k5083 wrote:The wrong way, is mustangdriver's point I believe. What's yours? That others have taken foolish risks in the past and therefore it's okay?
Quite right. We should lock them away in museums and not take the 'foolish risk' of flying them.
If we aren't capable of seeing the distinction between flying them generally and flying them over the North Atlantic -- then yes, we should.
August
Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:42 pm
We used to ferry several airplanes a year across to Europe. Everything from a Cessna 172 (LOTS OF FUEL IN CABIN) to Cessna Citations and King Airs.
Even today with all the great equipment that can be had, a trip over the top in a small Citation is not for the faint of heart. Easily done? Yep, in a airplane with turbine engines and newer technology.
A trip in a 60 year old airplane with Merlin or Allison engines (granted restored and overhauled). Easily done? Nope, bad idea as far as I am concerned.
Even today with all the great equipment that can be had, a trip over the top in a small Citation is not for the faint of heart. Easily done? Yep, in a airplane with turbine engines and newer technology.
A trip in a 60 year old airplane with Merlin or Allison engines (granted restored and overhauled). Easily done? Nope, bad idea as far as I am concerned.
Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:52 pm
I AGREE with King!!!
Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:55 pm
Once again one of my comments is used to the extreme. I said this flight is a bit much to bite off, and that led to someone saying that I menat to lock up all of the warbirds? I said just the opposite. Fly them, but don't take a risk that does not need to be taken.
Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:03 pm
Both sides are making valid points here. I'm leaning toward the "Go for it" side. With the following caveat, of course:
Find the pilot with the cojones to do it.
If I were qualified and offered the right airplane....(a P-38 maybe)
WELLL...I'd really be tempted.
Mudge the hung
Find the pilot with the cojones to do it.
If I were qualified and offered the right airplane....(a P-38 maybe)
WELLL...I'd really be tempted.
Mudge the hung
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