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Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:28 am

I guess the only way to get a straight deck carrier for a museum now would be to raise the Yorktown :shock: . Shouldn't be a big deal. After all, what's 16,000 feet of water? Didn't the CIA raise a Russian sub from even deeper?

Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:07 am

CIA sponsored, but Global Marine raised the sub. The Glomar Explorer still exists?

Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:26 am

Obergrafeter wrote:CIA sponsored, but Global Marine raised the sub. The Glomar Explorer still exists?


It should be noted that this submarine was significatly smaller than the Yorktown. And was not raised in one piece.

Shay
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Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:47 pm

SaxMan wrote:I guess the only way to get a straight deck carrier for a museum now would be to raise the Yorktown


To be honest this was something I always wondered about.

Not that I actually think it would be done. Just looking at it from a engineering point of view.

I've always wondered what it would take to raise her and if we have the capabilities today to perform such a task. It's surpirsing she settled the way she did. (upright and intact)

Anyone guess what it would be involved to raise a 20,000 ton vessel from a depth of 16,650 ft? (besides money :? )

honestly I'm not sure it could be done. Not today anyways.

Considering her prestine condition today she might hold out for a future attempt. Would truely be an awesome sight.

Shay
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YKTN

Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:29 pm

I'd love to see YKTN raised as much as anyone. I know/knew
a number of guys who served on her at Midway. But with what
little I know about salvage techniques I think we'd be better
off looking for that flux capacitor to finish the time machine......

Re: camera by chance?

Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:00 pm

henning wrote:any chance you had a camera when you walked the decks? Pictures?


Yes, I had my trusty Cannon AE-1 and managed to snap a few shots. I dug around the crawlspace yesterday and came up with about a half dozen prints that I scanned to a CD this afternoon. Now, if I can only figure out photobucket, I'll post them for you all to see.

It's not easy to look at her sitting in the Texas mud waiting to live or die -- probabbly all the more painful for henning and Owen who had the chance to see her when she was still in New Orleans.

Of course, that serves to point up probably the most heartbreaking aspect of the whole sad story -- that back in 1989 the Cabot was retired directly from active duty with the Spanish Navy and arrived back in this country under her own power! And, due to what I will VERY charitably describe as "mismanagement" by the people entrusted with her preservation, despite her good material condition she was never opened to the general public as a museum.

What a waste!!!

LA politics

Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:08 pm

Mismanagement? I think LA politics would be a better
term. Lots of money just vanished from what I was told.
It reminds me a bit of some stories about where Federal
Funds intended for levee work around NOLA disappeared.

Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:56 pm

As long as I'm posting pics and bumming myself out, we may as well end this where it started. Here's a shot from immediately post war -- an amazing collection of the four major classes of US WWII aircraft carriers -- how great would it have been to preserve each of these (plus a CVE)? At least Hornet (CV-12) is still with us, even if she was extensively modified after this photo was taken.

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Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:00 pm

Set the time machine to arrive here and you'll have 10 days left to save her...

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Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:02 pm

Last Voyage...

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Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:04 pm

The End of the Big E...

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Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:00 pm

Speaking of CVEs, I just saw the Clint Eastwood movie "Magnum Force" a few days ago. At the climax, where Harry Callahan is confronting the vigilante police officers, the confrontation takes place on a pair of CVEs. Anyone know which ones they are? They are undoubtedly Commencement Bay (CVE-106) class ships, and depending on the scrapping dates could probably narrow it down to which ones they were.

Is it possible that there still may be a converted CVE (such as a communications ship) still languishing somewhere?, or even one of the Wright-class CVLs?
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