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Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:48 pm

If it changes anything for you they wanted to end the movie by dropping the A-bomb, but Japan said that they were offended, and felt as if they were being painted in a "bad light".

Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:00 pm

Oh, and why did they use Alec Baldwin as Doolittle. That was some p*ss poor casting. They should have used Ed Harris who not only more closely resembles him, but is also a better actor. Also they portrayed Doolittle all wrong. Everyone who knows anything about Doolittle knows he wasn't some "crusty ol' LtCol" as portrayed in the movie. Doolittle was well liked because of his inspiring demeanor.

I'm sure they were looking at the overseas sales forecasts when they dumped that idea.

Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:14 pm

rwdfresno wrote:
use of literary license. It is one thing to tell a fictional story of one of 800,000 US troops who participated in the Normandy invasion but I think to do the same with a group of 80 that are easily identifiable is a real stretch of what is acceptable in my opinion of literary license with historical events.

Ryan


I'm sorry but as the son of one of those 800,000; I beg to differ. Literary license may be acceptable in fiction, but to the men who served it is a disgrace. I was fine in a work of fiction such as SPR, to adapt and adjust , but it was an insult to do it to the real man regardless of their unit.

Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:28 pm

I'm sorry but as the son of one of those 800,000; I beg to differ. Literary license may be acceptable in fiction, but to the men who served it is a disgrace. I was fine in a work of fiction such as SPR, to adapt and adjust , but it was an insult to do it to the real man regardless of their unit.


My grandfather was a vet of WWII, my uncles all were and my great uncle who I never met died in the PTO. My uncles server in Vietnam. So I am with you here. I can't tell if we are disagreeing or agreeing here. When I say fiction I am talking about fictional characters. You say you are OK with SPR which is the movie I am describing as the right way to do it. You seem to not like Pearl Harbor which I am saying is a disgraceful use of literary license. I think you have misunderstood what I wrote.

Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:33 pm

I have a prediction, and yes its only a prediction. :)

I believe that 12 O'clock High will be remade. I mean c'mon. Who the hell guessed that somebody would redo Flight of the Phoniex?

We will continue to see movies that are inacurate to come out. Though we will also see more and more authentic movies being created as time progresses. And sooner or later, hopefully, these two worlds of history and hollywood collide with positive results.

2 cents.
Chris.

Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:20 pm

What was irreverent was using Alec Baldwin to play Jimmy Doolittle !

Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:25 pm

True!

Who i think would have been more suited to play the part would be Bob Hoskins, who i believe looks more like Doolittle.

Who may remember him from such films as "Enemy at the Gates" and "Who framed Roger Rabbit?"

Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:01 pm

rwdfresno wrote:
I'm sorry but as the son of one of those 800,000; I beg to differ. Literary license may be acceptable in fiction, but to the men who served it is a disgrace. I was fine in a work of fiction such as SPR, to adapt and adjust , but it was an insult to do it to the real man regardless of their unit.


My grandfather was a vet of WWII, my uncles all were and my great uncle who I never met died in the PTO. My uncles server in Vietnam. So I am with you here. I can't tell if we are disagreeing or agreeing here. When I say fiction I am talking about fictional characters. You say you are OK with SPR which is the movie I am describing as the right way to do it. You seem to not like Pearl Harbor which I am saying is a disgraceful use of literary license. I think you have misunderstood what I wrote.


I thought you were speaking of Band of Brothers ! I took umbridge at that in reference to them(BoB) being another ordinary outfit in a random group of 800,000. As far as SPR I have no problem with the use of fictional characters and devices. It helped to awaken a new generation to the history. I mistook you statement as an interpretation of my charactyers being mixed in BOB.

We are on the same page as you would say!

Warbird movies

Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:16 pm

Any remember "Battle Hymn"?

Great P-51 aerials, great close-ups, beautiful colour, great air to ground sequences............ and a Birdog...........

Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:28 pm

TX ANG Mustangs and C-119s too !!

Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:38 pm

rwdfresno wrote:Oh, and why did they use Alec Baldwin as Doolittle. That was some p*ss poor casting. They should have used Ed Harris who not only more closely resembles him, but is also a better actor. Also they portrayed Doolittle all wrong. Everyone who knows anything about Doolittle knows he wasn't some "crusty ol' LtCol" as portrayed in the movie. Doolittle was well liked because of his inspiring demeanor.


My choice would've been, and still is (if they ever do a Doolittle Bio),
Stanley Tucci.
He looks more like Doolittle than Ed Harris or Bob Hoskins and could pull off the job with ease.
Jerry

Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:53 pm

I am going to hate myself for this, but I forgot the name of the movie about a B-17 Crew caught in the fight when the war broke out. It was an early '17 and George Lucas used it as a template for some action sequences in Star Wars.

I remember them cutting out the tail cone on the plane and mounting a machine gun back there.

Anyone?

Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:55 pm

A few of my favorites, that I don't think have been mentioned yet,

Thin Red Line
Destination Gobi
Bataan
Das Boot
Run Silent Run Deep
All Quiet on the Western Front
Kelly's Hero's
Dr StrangeLove
Big Red One
All of the Richard Burton Classics

Then there were all of those crappy Vietnam movies made in the 80's that I liked,
Company C
MoPic
Hamburger Hill

But my all time fave of one of those was the one with Wings Hauser and the Gunny....I don't even remember the name, but it was so bad it was good.

And, there is the best movie ever made, Dawn of the Dead, (the new one). Killin Zombies is war too....

Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:02 pm

Hey O.P. Is it Firebase Gloria?

The Bridge on the River Kwai
Midway
The Final Countdown
Gallipoli
No Man's Land
Empire of the Sun

Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:16 pm

Air Forc eis the name of that movie buddy. It featured the B-17C "Marry-Ann" It was a cool flick. I wish I could find it on DVD.
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