SunN Fun pictures Friday

[Project Warbird]

Great pictures, thanks for posting them. Love the P-40. Keep posting those pics. I'm only going to have time to make it to the Chino airshow this year, but no more

[retroaviation]

Gary Austin Wrote:

Sigh......

I sure miss working on that Yak 9. It is an excellent airplane.

Sean Carroll did some "work" on them as well

Yeah, you never know when that video might pop up on the Internet someday, huh?

Gary

[OZFURYFAN]

Thanks Gary & Ober for the choice,but which one?I guess I like it because it reminds me of the Boomerang,was the P-64 a redesignation of the NA-50 perhaps?May have to let Google do the work for me but appreciate the responses especially from Gary given his workload.Cheers,Pete

[retroaviation]

Could be wrong, probably am, but I think the P-64's were powered by geared R-1340's, while the NA-50's were all R-1820 powered. So, I think that the one at Sun-N-Fun is probably a P-64 replica.

Either way, it's still a good lookin' airplane (in my opinion).

Gary

[Beachy]

Nice job, Chuck!

[Nathan]

I believe the P-64 and CA-Boomarang are quite different. I think the only "Real" P-64 left is one at the EAA museum.

[BTBackseater]

Real Nice Pictures!!! Makes me want to go next year.
Thanks so much for sharing them with us.

[daveymac82c]

It is quite amazing how similar the P64 and the Boomerang are.

I just Wikipedia'd and compared the two. The Boomerang is slightly smaller and has about 300hp more than the P-64. Their tops speeds reflect this fact with the Boomerang topping out at 305 mph and the P-64 at 270 mph.

None the less, if you were to paint a Boomerang up like a P-64 or vise-versa, there'd be a lot of confused people. I suppose the easiest way to tell is the cockpit. Anywho, I should get back to work. Oh how I love working on a Sunday (note the sarcasm).

Cheers,

David

[Obergrafeter]

Ok here's the poop on NA-50 vs. P-64. The NA-50 was North Americans designation for the export version going to Peru. Six units delivered. This was a monetary failure and with slight redesign seven units were sold to Thailand ...designated NA-68. With the start of the war they were impressed by the USAAF and designated P-64 and used as advanced fighter trainers. They had 1820s which were 875 HP in the early forties. The replica Nelson and Gary built has an 1820 off a Tracker of almost twice the horsepower. Imagine the climb rate on that puppy.

[mustangdriver]

There are a few real NA-50's around. I saw one at at Oshkosh last year. It was over all gray.

[Matt Gunsch]

There are a few real NA-50's around. I saw one at at Oshkosh last year. It was over all gray.

There are NO original NA-50 in the states. there is 1 still in S. America.
Carl Schmieder and myself built the P-64 that is in the museum in Thialand. We had a 1425HP R-1820 on it, T-28 prop, cut the wings 6ft, installed Wildcat wheels,, T-6G fuel system with operational 55gal drop tank, 2 DC-3 oil coolers, we placed the oil tank in the rear fuselage razorback, along with 1 oil cooler, smoke oil tank and O2 bottle. We also lowered the canopy rails, and had a throw over canopy for the rear seat.




The P-64 had more in commen with the SNJ-2, ie the wing center section and tail cone, the wings were off a Yale, truss structure was built for the P-64.

[mustangdriver]

That is wild. The sing I was looking at said it was a real NA-50. Do you know which ship I am talking about? It was at the far end of the warbird line. The replicas in the pics that you posted are sweet.

[retroaviation]

The replica Nelson and Gary built has an 1820 off a Tracker of almost twice the horsepower.

And just to clear up one last little detail...(being nitpicky here) We only finished up the project at Nelson's place, ie. hydraulic system installation, wing & tail installation, hooked up engine controls, and a gazzilion minor details. Les Crowder built the majority of the stuff for that airplane and just brought it to Nelson to finish. I was just one of the crew that got to work on it some.

Oh, and Nelson said that he definitely enjoyed the rate of climb in the airplane.

Gary

[the65dartguy]

hello
I'm no expert on this but it did say "na-50" stenciled on the tail of that airplane at Sun-n-fun. It could be just part of the replica detail though

matt

[Stoney]

The only real NA-50/P-64 type is at the EAA museum and Pope Paul bought it many years ago.