Warbird Information Exchange

Well on the flip side there are plenty of naked ladies on aircraft today that are not replicas of WWII era nose art and there were thousands of WWII nose art images that were never documented and there are not, nor ever will be any record of them. Does that make those images less real or less significant interesting. Why does a picture of a nose art in a book, of a similar aircraft, not the actual aircraft that is being restored, make it more historically correct to be on the restored aircraft which never actually had that nose art.

Why does it make an aircraft more historically accurate to have a "copy" of some nose art that is in a WWII picture, that was never actually on the actual restored aircraft during WWII. Back then the crew of the aircraft decided what was painted on the aircraft. A modern day crew chosen nose art is just as "real" as some copy (ie replica, ie not original to the actual airframe) nose art off of some airplane in a book. Is Tallichet's B-17 historically correct because it has Memphis Belle painted on the side? It isn't the real Memphis Belle but I can find a picture in a book of a B-17 (another model of course) with that nose art. How about Sentimental Journey, well it has Betty Grable on the side which we know was done, but I am not aware that this is an original nose art (may have been and I know there were aircraft with this name but not sure about this specific nose art) but it sure could have been. What about Glacier Girl, what about Apache Princesses face lift, what about modern day Tondelayo being a J model, I mean the list is long and you can go crazy with it if you want to and nit pick this and that or you just be happy that people spend tons of money and time keeping us all entertained with their mis-painted aircraft or we can just buy our own and paint it how we choose. Not every aircraft will be the Enola Gay or How 'Boot That of restorations and there is nothing wrong with that.

Two Ryans

Your right and I don't have a problem with (made-up) nose art. In fact with Ol 927 I was hoping for Colonel "Mosquito" nose art. I thought it had a WWII type feel to it."Stray cat ends up as nose art"
But I don't think thats what this topic is about.

Bottom line - I would be less offend letting the kids see a historical nude than a (made-up) cartoon plane dropping bombs.

Phil

It's bad luck to rename a ship or plane...... I would have left well enough alone.. I agree with Phil. Maybe they are going to suprise us and bring Diamond Lil back sexier that ever! I think I would paint it after this 927 thing would be


The Beach is back!

"Diamond LIL"

God am I glad I live in New England!
Where I do not have to believe in anything! Religion, Politics, or even Driving Laws!

Long live Delectible Doris! OOPS! I mean "Joe"

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Driving Laws? In Mass?

Just kidding. As a rule, there isn't a Rhode Islander born who has ever followed any rules of the road.........Did we get that from Mass folks, or did you get it from us?

Perhaps you're making my point and don't even realize it. Ol' 927 is what this airplane was called originally. Not Diamond Lil.

Diamond Lil was a made up name that has ZERO historical significance to this airplane. I think everyone here is certainly entitled to their opinion(s), but it's funny that you're saying that you want something that's not made up in one post, yet you want Diamond Lil back on another.

Phil K...I agree that the noseart we chose isn't historically correct for this airplane. I've mentioned that many times on the other thread now. However, the elected staff of our squadron felt that we needed this artwork to make the airplane more marketable to the general public...and sadly, they're probably right, since the general public typically cares very little about historical accuracy. So a compromise was chosen. We decided to use the accurate name of this aircraft, with artwork that could sell t-shirts. I think all in all, it's going to work out. Please feel free to continue to dislike it, but try to understand why the staff chose what they chose.

RyanShort...Even though this thread has gotten somewhat off of the topic you intended, I very much appreciate you taking it off of the B-24 thread, as this subject is certainly distracting to anyone wanting to learn more about how we do the work we're doing to that ol' jalopy.

Gary

"Diamond LIL"[/quote]

Perhaps you're making my point and don't even realize it. Ol' 927 is what this airplane was called originally. Not Diamond Lil.
but it's funny that you're saying that you want something that's not made up in one post, yet you want Diamond Lil back on another.

If a aircraft was combat named It should stay that way but Like you said but Ol' 927 was basicly nameless like Ol' 928, , Ol' 029, Ol' 030 Ect was. Untill the CAF got ahold of it.. It is well known as Diamond lil now and probably be refrenced that way for a long time. Although the artwork is good it sort of looks like duggy the DC-3. Maybe you could add O'l 927 to Duggy's pals! HA HA. Sorry, couldn't resist.. I have got to admit it is funny!

http://www.duggy.com/DUGGY/Pals.html

http://www.duggy.com/DUGGY/Mission.html

Cool, but I havn't seen the airfield awash in Duggy shirts..

This is the shirt I love I have 4 of them! WOW
http://www.vansairforce.net/shirts_and_caps.htm

Phil that is all I read! LOL I have selective reading as well as hearing apparently!

Ryan, If your religeon is a plus in your life, that's great. My brother's family are practicing traditonal Baptists,( no rattlesnakes involved) and it has been a guide for all of them. Funny, he was closer to John Belushi when he was young. They are mostly into what is right for them, not so much what is wrong for someone else. My idea is pretty much an extension of "do unto others" and if you keep that as a basis you don't really have to debate whether it is ok to cheat someone in business or lie about a political opponent. There has been a lot of evil done in the name of religeon when one is so sure that he needs to kill or punish the unbeliver.

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Spitfire N308WK

Same here Bill, that is the way I live my life. Good things happen to good people.

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EAA Aviation Museum Manager

Well to be fair, I have a feeling Ryan has never slain a fellow man in the name of his religion and just because others have that doesn't mean that you are guilty by association. The general Christian community denounces unprovoked acts of violence against others just as we know most mainstream religions do around the world. Unfortunately, certain percentages of human beings have a tendency to misunderstand and screw up just about everything if given a decent chance. We can dissect any particular religious person or church as say that this, that or the other person is hypocritical, or select this that or the other rule to follow while not following the others but the fact is Christianity makes no bones about the fact that humans are not perfect. Let's also remember that churches are run by PEOPLE who while may be doing the best to follow their spiritual guides they are still human. If you are looking for the perfect church or the church with no hypocrites, no bad apples and all perfect attendees then you won't find it. The point is you subscribe to a particular religion because you have faith in it, not because everyone of that religion is perfect.

Also the proverbial "Golden Rule" that you subscribe to is born out of religion.

"All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must
likewise do to them; this, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean" Matthew 7:12

Just one of about 20 places in the Bible that specifically reiterate that theme.

Gary

"However, the elected staff of our squadron felt that we needed this artwork to make the airplane more marketable to the general public..." "with artwork that could sell t-shirts."

I'm guessing the elected staff wanted a family & religiously friendly (no nudes or swear words) and politically correct (no flag) nose art. If this is true did they miss the dropping bombs or will they disappear on the smaller size T-shirts.

I think you could have sold more T-shirts with Colonel "Mosquito" with twin tails nose art because everybody loves cats you know

Kenny - Politics and Baseball are owner Religion

Beachgirl - We feed off of eachother

Phil

I sure the'll paint the guns out and put flowers over the bombs soon enough.. Ha Ha

From this string of threads I think we can tell who looks at porrnnography and who doesn't.

C'mon Phil, you honestly don't think the nose art on the B-24 is authentic? I've seen many WWII bombers with self images painted on the nose.

Just a friendly,