C-45 Down in Colorado

[Bluedharma]

I hope everyone is ok.

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/N9562Z.html

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[CAPFlyer]

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Why? I apologized and 8 replies later, people are still responding to this instead of reading to the bottom of the page. Thanks.

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[N3Njeff]

what was the other???

[sdennison]

I'm starting to think that the Colorado wing needs to have a serious discussion about whether they're a good idea to remain in existance and HQ needs to take a long look before allowing them to have another aircraft. It's a bit soon to determine why it crashed, but it is still the second aircraft the wing has totalled and more importantly, the only two aircraft the wing has ever been assigned both crashed within a year of assignment.

I'm sorry, but it's things like that that give the CAF a black eye, something we really don't need right now.

Sorry Dude, but I think that is a CAF issue that should be dealt with in their own house and not on this forum. Whole lot of facts missing before we try to debate a topic like this here.

[astixjr]

I'm starting to think that the Colorado wing needs to have a serious discussion about whether they're a good idea to remain in existance and HQ needs to take a long look before allowing them to have another aircraft. It's a bit soon to determine why it crashed, but it is still the second aircraft the wing has totalled and more importantly, the only two aircraft the wing has ever been assigned both crashed within a year of assignment.

I'm sorry, but it's things like that that give the CAF a black eye, something we really don't need right now.

Hold on. I know nothing about the first accident you mentioned but I'll bet you know less about this one. Seems a bit early to suggest that this CAF wing should have it's charter pulled. Let's focus on the people onboard and let the NTSB do their job before we start making assumptions.

[vg-photo]

Indeed, it is premature to make any assumptions. Witnesses reported hearing the engine popping and backfiring before the crash. We have to remember that these are 60+ year old airplanes and things sometimes just break. It's not necessarily anyone's "fault".

[corsair166b]

The first incident was the crash of the Colorado wing's Lockheed C-60 a few years ago at the CAF show at Midland when the pilot attempted a downwind takeoff and flipped the plane, causing injuries but no deaths.

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[CAPFlyer]

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Why? I apologized and 8 replies later, people are still responding to this instead of reading to the bottom of the page. Thanks.

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[vg-photo]

I won't deny that the C-60 crash was a bad thing and in my opinion a serious error in judgment. But we really don't know what happened to that airplane that caused the crash. Until we know that, I think it should be kept neutral.

That being said, I would bet the folks at Midland are already taking a good hard look at this. After suffering a few losses in the last few years, the CAF insurance premiums are getting very very expensive. I remember the flying stand-down after the He-111 crash a few years back. We will have to see what comes of this.

[JohnH]

I wonder if this was the same one that was at the Tracy Air Show in 93?


John

[R4DMEC]

CHRIS THE FRIST THING I WILL SAY IS ZIP IT. YOU DONT HAVE THE
RIGHT TOO EVEN THINK. WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THIS WING WHEN
YOU BE IN 20 YEARS LIKE MY SELF. AND WORK"""""" NOT SITTING IN THE CHAIR RUNNING YOUR MOUTH. THEN AND ONLY THEN CAN YOU
EVEN THINK OF WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN OR WILL HAPPEN AND IF YOU
EVER POST ABOUT A LOSS AND NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT THE CREW.
I WILL PUT MY FOOT SIX FEET UP YOUR BUTT. AND IF YOU DONT LIKE
THIS POST THEN COME OUT TO THE HANGAR SATURDAY.
THAN GOD THE CREW OUT AND ALIVE


ROBERT COLLIER DFW WING MAINT OFFICER

[lmritger]

Well, that was tactful. Well done, Mr. Collier.

[CAPFlyer]

I have taken a triple re-read of my earlier posts and realize that what I was trying to say wasn't how it came across.

Firstly - I'm glad everyone's okay in this accident. Preservation of life is always first and foremost.

Second - I did a very poor job of expressing my opinion on the matter at hand and I do apologize for that. I guess I'm just frustrated lately because there have been several incidents at work lately that have got me on edge and seeing this isn't helping things. I've just kinda gotten frustrated with the way accidents tend to be handled these days, especially with the public. It's getting more and more where the organizations or companies don't want to tell much, but at the same time that lack of communication is causing them to look bad to the public. I just don't want to see that happen here, especially with what happened in 2005 with the C-60 and the major public opinion problems that occurred after the report was released.

[Bill Greenwood]

Guys, take a look at your post in the morning and you may want to edit some. Robt C, anyone has the right to post an opinion, you or I may agree with them or not, but threats are not the way. As for the C-60 accident, it may have been pilot error, however consider this: That plane was pretty much of an orphan and those guys put an enormous amount of work( I saw it at Boulder) and some cash into it's restoration and got it flying. There wasn't that much tailwind at Midland to say for sure what was the cause. There were no fatalities or serious injuries .All we know about the C-45 accident is witnes reports a possible problem with an engine, they came down without injuring anyone on the ground, the crew survived at least initially and that is what counts. I recenlty spoke to Stan Peterson who flies a C-45 in Colorado and I hope he or whoever is not badly injured and wil recover.

[Bluedharma]

Mr. Collier is correct in that the only thing that matters is that these 2 people come out of this ok. I would have said it a different way, but you can tell he only cares about these people. People do count more than a aircraft. That is something to be commended.

That said, CAPFlyer I understand your point and your fustration, but this talk of continued aircraft operations is best held after these 2 get out and about and explain what happened. Lets just hope these guys are ok.
Lets keep these guys in our thoughts.

Regards,