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Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:06 am

Firebird wrote:
bdk wrote:Has anyone ever seen an accident report for Vulcan XL390? I saw this airplane about 15 seconds prior to it's fatal crash.

There has been a bit of discussion on this on 'pprune' a while back, with those that obviously knew refraining from posting anything. Those in the RAF at the time saw the BOE report but as it was an in-service mil a/c there is no public accident report IIRC, and so it's on a 'need to know' only basis for type operation.

Given the type's well out of service, I wonder if a request under freedom of information would get through? Someone would need to want it. I presume that it's be under a 30 year (or more) restriction at the moment.
vg-photo wrote:I remember watching the last of the flying Vulcan's at Mildenhall and Lakenheath in the mid-1980s. They sure were neat. It would be great to get one flying again. Through in an EE Lightning and I might have to take another trip across the pond!

Lighning. Go to South Africa, and see 'Thunder City'. If you are well heeled enough you can take a flight too. Smart money says an EE Lightning isn't going to fly in the UK, although there are a couple that 'fast taxi'.
Warbird Kid wrote:So when are we gonna see a B-47 and a F-111 in the U.S.? :D

We have F-111 currently active here in Australia, but not for much longer. They are going to be replaced with stopgap Super Hornets until some tedious new type is ready. Sounds rather like the 'stopgap' F-4 Phantoms we had on loan while we were waiting on the F-111s. The more things change, the more they stay the same. B-47? Not as aerobatic as a Vulcan or an F-111 I'd bet, so big, noisy impressive, but just a lot of gas for flybys, even if it did happen (which it won't).

As to the Vulcan XH558, it'll be a great achievement to get it flying. However, it's viability as an airshow act on a cost basis remains an open question. Given it's been the first and only (part) Heritage Lottery Funded airworthy rebuild, there's a lot for the UK restoration scene riding on its success. Not a good scenario, IMHO. The support groups and organisations have not impressed in terms of PR and communication at best, and some people have serious reservations on their depth of competence. The project's been presented as on a catastrophe curve by the aircraft's keepers more than anyone should feel happy with, whether that's accurate or not. See the Flypast forum for lots of hot debate on the matter.

As to the aircraft, it remains in my memory as a remarkable airshow act - along with the equally impressive and unique SR-71 and Concorde, the Vulcan in flight is unforgettable, and rather ~um~ noisy.

Regards,

Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:17 am

Noisy is a fairly major understatement James.

It's the only aircraft I've seen that rattles your kidneys. :)

Nice noise though.

Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:40 am

dhfan wrote:Noisy is a fairly major understatement James.

It's the only aircraft I've seen that rattles your kidneys. :)

Depends on your experience. ;) I never thought it was a great privilege to see hear, and feel all three, but it was, and no-longer generally available. The SR-71 certainly rattles the kidneys, spleen and few other internal organs as well, and I don't think the Concorde was regarded as 'quiet' either! :D

I hope you get a decade of Vulcan. Big expectation though.

Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:40 am

Warbird Kid wrote:So when are we gonna see a B-47 and a F-111 in the U.S.? :D


They were here last February...at Red Flag @ Nellis AFB...
Would have been cool to see...
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/Misc/RedFlag0702/Highlights/F111Landing.jpg

http://www.fencecheck.com/forums/index.php/topic,8053.90.html

Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:10 pm

Firebird wrote:
bdk wrote:Has anyone ever seen an accident report for Vulcan XL390? I saw this airplane about 15 seconds prior to it's fatal crash.


There has been a bit of discussion on this on 'pprune' a while back, with those that obviously knew refraining from posting anything. Those in the RAF at the time saw the BOE report but as it was an in-service mil a/c there is no public accident report IIRC, and so it's on a 'need to know' only basis for type operation.
Could you please provide a link to the thread?

Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:11 am

bdk wrote:Could you please provide a link to the thread?


http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=125259

Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:35 am

NOTAM details .....
NAVW: Q)EGTT/QRTCA/IV/BO/W/000/030/5229N00108W003
FROM 07/08/20 09:00 TO 07/09/07 15:00 J3816/07
D)AUG 20-24, 28-31, SEP 03-07 0900-1500
E)RESTRICTED AREA(TEMPORARY) FOR VULCAN TEST FLYING AT
BRUNTINGTHORPE. RESTRICTION OF FLYING REGULATIONS MADE UNDER ARTICLE
96 OF THE ANO 2005 (MIL ACFT SHOULD COMPLY WITH JSP552 201.135.9). NO
ACFT IS TO FLY WI AREA BOUNDED BY CIRCLE RAD 3NM CENTRED AT 522913N
0010750W EXCEPT ACFT FLYING WITH PERMISSION OF OPERATOR OF
BRUNTINGTHORPE AERODROME OR IN THE SERVICE OF THE LEICESTERSHIRE
POLICE. AUS 07-08-0518/3429/AS7
F)SFC G)3000FT AMSL

Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:38 am

The day you see a B-47 flying is the same day you see it flying wing on a B-58 Hustler

the vulcans outside now

Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:05 am

She is undergoing engine runs!! :lol:
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