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Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:57 am
Lots of you guys are listing jets and even airliners in your resume. When a writer ask gunfighter John Wesley Hardin how many men he had shot, he replied "29, not counting African Americans and Latinos." Those aren't the exact words he used, but you get the idea. So what does this have to do with flying? Hey, real pilots only count real planes, if it's got air conditioning it doesn't count. And if it has got a stewardess or worse a steward it really doesn't count. And real airplanes leak a little oil, not kerosene.
Last edited by Bill Greenwood on Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:30 am, edited 1 time in total.
Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:15 am
I think Stewart Dawson might take offense at your statement, Bill. All of the aircraft he flies has a Stewart on board ! 
Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:33 am
Real planes better have fuel controls because there isn't going to be any carb parts 
Precision Airmotive LLC has discontinued sales of all float carburetors and component parts as of November 1, 2007. This unfortunate situation is a result of our inability to obtain product liability insurance for the product line. Precision Airmotive LLC and its 43 employees currently manufacture and support the float carburetors used in nearly all carbureted general aviation aircraft flying today. Precision has been the manufacturers of these carburetors since 1990. These FAA-approved carburetors were designed as early as the 1930s and continue to fly over a million flight hours a year. After decades of service, the reliability of these carburetors speaks for itself.
Nonetheless, Precision has seen its liability insurance premiums rise dramatically, to the point that the premium now exceeds the total sales dollars for this entire product line. In the past, we have absorbed that cost, with the hope that the aviation industry as a whole would be able to help address this issue faced by Precision Airmotive, as well as many other small aviation companies. Our efforts have been unsuccessful.
This year, despite the decades of reliable service and despite the design approval by the Federal Aviation Administration, Precision Airmotive has been unable to obtain product liability insurance for the carburetor product line. While we firmly believe that the product is safe, as does the FAA, and well-supported by dedicated people both at Precision and at our independent product support centers, unfortunately the litigation costs for defending the carburetor in court are unsustainable for a small business such as Precision.
Therefore, as of November 1, 2007, Precision Airmotive LLC has been left with no choice but to cease production and support of its float carburetor line.
We are working with the engine manufacturers and others in the industry in an attempt to minimize the impact on general aviation and to provide future support for this product line. There is a substantial quantity of parts and carburetors stocked at our distributors, which should be sufficient to support the industry for a short time.
14800 40th Avenue N.E. · Marysville , WA 98271 · USA · Phone: (360) 651-8282 · Fax: (360) 651-8080
Precision Airmotive LLC has discontinued sales of all float carburetors and component parts as of November 1, 2007. This unfortunate situation is a result of our inability to obtain product liability insurance for the product line. Precision Airmotive LLC and its 43 employees currently manufacture and support the float carburetors used in nearly all carbureted general aviation aircraft flying today. Precision has been the manufacturers of these carburetors since 1990. These FAA-approved carburetors were designed as early as the 1930s and continue to fly over a million flight hours a year. After decades of service, the reliability of these carburetors speaks for itself.
Nonetheless, Precision has seen its liability insurance premiums rise dramatically, to the point that the premium now exceeds the total sales dollars for this entire product line. In the past, we have absorbed that cost, with the hope that the aviation industry as a whole would be able to help address this issue faced by Precision Airmotive, as well as many other small aviation companies. Our efforts have been unsuccessful.
This year, despite the decades of reliable service and despite the design approval by the Federal Aviation Administration, Precision Airmotive has been unable to obtain product liability insurance for the carburetor product line. While we firmly believe that the product is safe, as does the FAA, and well-supported by dedicated people both at Precision and at our independent product support centers, unfortunately the litigation costs for defending the carburetor in court are unsustainable for a small business such as Precision.
Therefore, as of November 1, 2007, Precision Airmotive LLC has been left with no choice but to cease production and support of its float carburetor line.
We are working with the engine manufacturers and others in the industry in an attempt to minimize the impact on general aviation and to provide future support for this product line. There is a substantial quantity of parts and carburetors stocked at our distributors, which should be sufficient to support the industry for a short time.
14800 40th Avenue N.E. · Marysville , WA 98271 · USA · Phone: (360) 651-8282 · Fax: (360) 651-8080
Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:01 pm
Saw that on AvWeb. Several of the engine manufacturers have stated they will be working with PA to find a solution (hopefully a way to get their liability reinstated at a reasonable rate).
The cause of this? Idiots suing anyone and everyone who had a part on an airplane that crashed, regardless of whether or not they had anything to do with the accident. Precision's been so mired in such litigation, even to just get them removed from the lawsuit, that it's cost them their ability to get liability insurance.
The cause of this? Idiots suing anyone and everyone who had a part on an airplane that crashed, regardless of whether or not they had anything to do with the accident. Precision's been so mired in such litigation, even to just get them removed from the lawsuit, that it's cost them their ability to get liability insurance.
Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:31 pm
This has happened before. Facet had the market in the 80's. When they quit, doom was predicted. It will all work out, there's a huge market for these parts.
Steve G
Steve G
Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:30 pm
....but how many pilots on here fly from an authentic WWII airfield? 
Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:00 pm
I fly from KAGC. It is pretty historic.
Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:02 pm
How many people fly from an authentic WWI airfield ?
http://uncutvideo.aol.com/videos/1e55125d09b0abf198ca9d02e90a0a3d
http://uncutvideo.aol.com/videos/1e55125d09b0abf198ca9d02e90a0a3d
Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:22 pm
Hey Bill: I resemble that remark. Every thing I fly has air conditioning...Whatever the air conditions are outside, we get the same conditions in the cockpit!
Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:32 pm
Our airfield is so authentic it still has explosive charges buried under the runways...or so it is rumoured, I always try to cream the landings just in case! 
Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:33 pm
I fly whenever someone is foolish enough give me the stick. I've only a recreational ticket, which isn't current, but I manage to talk my way into a variety of interesting planes once in a while.
The sad fact of my situation is that the financial demands of aviation are not at all compatible with the fiscal realities of art. So I draw a lot of pictures of airplanes and follow other pilots around until they take pity on me
The sad fact of my situation is that the financial demands of aviation are not at all compatible with the fiscal realities of art. So I draw a lot of pictures of airplanes and follow other pilots around until they take pity on me
Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:28 pm
The ink is still wet, but as of day before yesterday, I now have my ATP, L R-Jet Type rating ( Learjet 35), Part 135 checkride with all the IFR work completed, for PIC and SIC. 
Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:47 pm
Marine what's wth the proposed structure that is about to be built four and a half miles from the end of Runway 31 at Nashville International Airport (BNA) 
Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:47 pm
Does flying a 450hp Stearman based in an ex Biggin Hill WW2 blister hangar now based on the communal site of a former B24 base in East Anglia count as being a pilot?
Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:13 pm
B-W,
I think it's a hotel as they had recently demolished an old high rise hotel there and that is what it's zoned for. Will try to find out tomorrow.
I think it's a hotel as they had recently demolished an old high rise hotel there and that is what it's zoned for. Will try to find out tomorrow.