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Ryan Keough · **Posted:** Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:12 am

bdk wrote:

I wish there was more interest in this aircraft type. Of course the interest will develop once they are all gone. Kudos to Cavanaugh for taking this project on.

I am certainly encouraged by the number of recent projects that are underway or soon to be with the PV-2... including:

- CFM / Former CAF Bird
- PV-2 with Gary Hilton
- PV-2 Project(s) with Robert Kropp (Mesa)
- Tim Savage's PV-2 Project

Plus there are quite a few airframes still about... at least two more at Falcon Field (Packards) and the two others at Chandler Memorial.

Obergrafeter · **Posted:** Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:06 pm

OK I will take the hit for being negative towards the CAF in there selling of rare birds. I meant it to be. But using the term collector as negative I will not give you, as there is nothing wrong in collecting anything and in the warbird arena if this is flying or static so be the "collectors" option. The last thing I heard of collecting that was wrong was when FDR made the hoarding or collecting of gold illegal. Only took this country 50 plus years to set that one right.

CAPFlyer · **Posted:** Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:11 pm

Obergrafeter wrote:

OK I will take the hit for being negative towards the CAF in there selling of rare birds. I meant it to be. But using the term collector as negative I will not give you, as there is nothing wrong in collecting anything and in the warbird arena if this is flying or static so be the "collectors" option. The last thing I heard of collecting that was wrong was when FDR made the hoarding or collecting of gold illegal. Only took this country 50 plus years to set that one right.

I then apologize for taking the first part as being negative. The way I look at it (even not having seen what the Wisconsin wing is going to get to replace the PV-2 yet), what the CAF did in this instance was potentially save 2 airplanes. They sent a PV-2 which would have rotted in a corner otherwise to a museum with more than enough means to put it back together and display it (or better yet fly it), and in turn they get the funds to purchase another restoration project or flying aircraft that is within their means to support, thus ensuring that they have, in the end, saved 2 airplanes from rotting away.

Steve S · **Posted:** Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:53 am

Hey Nice weather we are having ( Blatent attempt to change subject to a happier place

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I am still curious as to what the plan for the A26 is. I have never paid for a warbird ride before but that is one aircraft I would certainl consider.

Steve S

Warbird Kid · **Posted:** Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:04 pm

Ryan, is there any chance to see one of those derelict frames come this way to the east coast? At our Museum there is a volunteer that was a PV-2 crewman. Not to mention it would be fantastic to see a historic bomber of this nature come to CT.

How many are there available? Who owns them? Are they even available?

Chris the Curious.

Ryan Keough · **Posted:** Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:55 pm

Warbird Kid wrote:

Ryan, is there any chance to see one of those derelict frames come this way to the east coast? At our Museum there is a volunteer that was a PV-2 crewman. Not to mention it would be fantastic to see a historic bomber of this nature come to CT.

How many are there available? Who owns them? Are they even available?

Chris the Curious.

Unfortunately it doesn't look like anything is coming to the area... however, some of the airframes that are in "limbo" might be available eventually. The next issue would be to find a potential buyer in your area.

Ryan Keough · **Posted:** Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:22 pm

Another article from today about the PV-2D: http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2007/ ... ct_071124/

Ironic that it's in the Air Force Times... though it's a Navy plane.

FG1D Pilot · **Joined:** Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:42 am **Posts:** 450

To give an update, The PV 2 will have to have the fuselage and center section taken apart. The A26 needs an engine change to complete the flight to Addison. As both of these projects are far away from the museum, any help or ideas would be appreciated.
As far as the PV 2 being sold. It along with many other aircraft have been put up for assignment to units that can take on the projects. After years of waiting for someone to take on the challenge, with no takers, the best thing to do is sell the aircraft to a good home and use the money to get something else in the air. As far as I know, and have been involved with( last 10 years or so), no money gained from the sell of an aircraft went towards anything but the betterment or purchase of another aircraft.

Obergrafeter · **Posted:** Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:28 pm

Ah yes but at what PRICE were they asking for the ASSIGNMENT of the PV-2. Having to pay for the privlage of working on and putting up all the money on a plane takes it out of the hands of the small squadrons and puts it in the hands of the rich guys once again. The large sqadrons have all they can say grace over now. Shame that the little guys can't get involved with hard work and volunteers as the home team is interested only in greenbacks. Tell me I'm wrong.

FG1D Pilot · **Joined:** Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:42 am **Posts:** 450

You're wrong :wink:

. The "home team" doesn't get the money. Some aircraft may have a negative balance in it's account and a unit may be asked to cover that as part of it's assignment. If a unit can't afford to take on some small balance to get an aircraft assigned, then they probably won't be able to afford to restore it either. Manpower only accounts for about a third of a restoration cost, figuring in engine overhaul, avionics, paint, propeller overhaul, hoses, tires, fabric etc. The PV 2 had no costs involved with assignment, yet no one was willing to take it on as a project.
"Rich guys" comment doesn't fit either. Warbirds are no longer cheap to maintain. You went to the gathering of Mustangs. How many P51s were owned by poor guys?

FG1D Pilot · **Joined:** Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:42 am **Posts:** 450

By the way Ober, My son shot a nice 10 point in your backyard this weekend thereby saving your crops from peril.

Obergrafeter · **Posted:** Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:45 pm

Shame your boy didn't get that Axis with the butt scratchers. I'm tired of feeding him! Maybe next weekend.

Dan K · **Posted:** Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:12 pm

Ryan Keough wrote:

Another article from today about the PV-2D: http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2007/ ... ct_071124/

Ironic that it's in the Air Force Times... though it's a Navy plane.

$0.02 from someone who scraped knuckles on this Harpoon in the past:

The comments made in the Air Force Times article about this PV-2 being flyable and it should have been kept this way are entirely erroneous. The plane arrived at Crites in 1985 on a ferry permit, but in no way could be considered flyable. Some control cable pulleys were frozen in place. Close examination of the spar revealed corrosion issues that required its eventual replacement. This bird was pulled apart for long-term restoration because that is what was required for long-term flight operation. Anyone who says otherwise clearly didn't work on her in the '80's and '90's (I volunteered around 1990-1996).

I am absolutely delighted that she's headed for such an excellent new home.

Alan Brooks · **Posted:** Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:42 pm

Ober, on the now ex-CAF Harpoon, prior to being sold to Tim Savage, the airplane was up for assignment for almost TWO years...... it came with two freshly OHD R-2800's....... NO CAF unit took the a/c..... I tried to raise interest in the aircraft and get it back to Tx...... no joy, about the same luck I'm having with the TBM up in Maryland. I spoke with Old Shep extensively on this a/c, and now with the TBM. Alan

Chris · **Posted:** Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:54 pm

Hay Alan, Is the TBM the same one the was parked out by the Mauler a few years ago at Airsho?

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