That evil ACLU...

[Bill Greenwood]

Most kids play cowboys and Indians, sounds like you guys weren't content to shoot a few tin cans with a 22; you wanted to be a one man army, or at least a swat team. You're a century and a half too late, they could have used you at the Alamo, plenty of moving targets. Maybe I was a little nuts, I usually wanted to be the Indians.

[Broken-Wrench]

I predict there will be another alamo in this country before we die.. Cowboys and whatever!

[muddyboots]

Most kids play cowboys and Indians, sounds like you guys weren't content to shoot a few tin cans with a 22; you wanted to be a one man army, or at least a swat team. You're a century and a half too late, they could have used you at the Alamo, plenty of moving targets. Maybe I was a little nuts, I usually wanted to be the Indians.

er... Bill, I actually did this for a living. I was a one man army. ernie isn't a real warrior--he just throws out out the back of airplanes lol!

I dig the Indians too. I always get a little gleeful when I think of all the indians in the world (as Dustin Hoffman said) rode down on Custer's head. He was pretty easy to hate and lets not get into the Alimo. Slave owners, pedophiles, and murderers. That's what was at the alimo, by history's recollection.

[T2 Ernie]

er... Bill, I actually did this for a living. I was a one man army. ernie isn't a real warrior--he just throws out out the back of airplanes lol!
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I'm the modern day horse. I may not shoot anybody, but I get those dudes to the fight - 250' at night, in the weather, in the mountains! On the very rare occasion, I might get to drop a really big dumb bomb somewhere...

Now the SAS? Those boys ain't all there...they've got a different mentality than our SF bubbas. In the opening weeks of Afghanistan (Oct '01), on the reading of the orders, they briefed something along the lines of, "Right lads, the Yanks went in & out in X hours. We're going in for a week, advertise we're there, and take on all comers. Questions?"

OK, so everyone's happy now? We all agree the other side is silly for liking/hating the ACLU?

Can we talk about planes now?

[muddyboots]

speaking of which, what the heck do you actually do? 58th?

[T2 Ernie]

speaking of which, what the heck do you actually do? 58th?

Yep

[muddyboots]

Now you're going to start bragging that you're a Tallon driver, aren't you?
Don't answer that. Whatever you're doing, the community needs you guys. There was a distinct lack of...capablity until the 58th switched missions. Thanks

[Bill Greenwood]

T-2 Remember this section is Off Topic and this one, started by Muddy was about the ACLU. That followed someone complaining about prisoners with "Their ACLU lawyers". One of the themes of that discussion was anything the U S does must be ok because the enemy does it worse. Not a real noble position. The bigger point on ACLU, is not whether we like/dislike any client, NRA, Ollie North, KKK, but we RESPECT that they stand up for the Bill of Rights. The real client is ALL OF US in a free society. CAP has said, probably with good intentions, that in defending minorities, the majority may get penalized. Just in aviation, private planes, warbirds are the minority. Would it be ok if the airlines with more money and passengers voted to ground us?
A final thought, for the last 7 years it has been one way, but that could change. 8 years down the road there might be a Supreme Court packed as anti-war, anti-gun, maybe to prosecute corporate CEO s for global warming crimes. Your side might be the minority, and you might value these rights. They came from some pretty smart men, and are used in some form by the best countries today.

[Broken-Wrench]

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject: poor taste

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Greenwood wrote in refrence to the Harry Doan skyraider picture.

Way to Go, Nathan. While the rest of us are expressing our disgust you did something positive about it. The seller may not have know it was a fatal accident, the wreckage doesn't look that bad.


BW Wrote
Another case of do as i say, not as i do,,,, Not that I approve of the picture but maybe the guy that was selling it should call the aclu because he was denied free speech for posting it on EBAY.


Aslo we should be able to curse on wix!

SCRANTON, Pa. - A woman who was cited for loudly cursing at her overflowing toilet — and then at a neighbor who told her to quiet down — has been acquitted on First Amendment grounds.

District Judge Terrence Gallagher dismissed the disorderly conduct charge against Dawn Herb, 33, ruling Thursday that she was within her rights when she let loose a string of profanities Oct. 11.

Although the language she used "may be considered by some to be offensive, vulgar and imprudent ... (it is) protected speech pursuant to the First Amendment," the judge wrote.

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[muddyboots]

that made no danged sense to me BW. Rstate it so my poor head gets it?

[T2 Ernie]

T-2 Remember this section is Off Topic and this one, started by Muddy was about the ACLU. That followed someone complaining about prisoners with "Their ACLU lawyers". One of the themes of that discussion was anything the U S does must be ok because the enemy does it worse. Not a real noble position. The bigger point on ACLU, is not whether we like/dislike any client, NRA, Ollie North, KKK, but we RESPECT that they stand up for the Bill of Rights. The real client is ALL OF US in a free society. CAP has said, probably with good intentions, that in defending minorities, the majority may get penalized. Just in aviation, private planes, warbirds are the minority. Would it be ok if the airlines with more money and passengers voted to ground us?
A final thought, for the last 7 years it has been one way, but that could change. 8 years down the road there might be a Supreme Court packed as anti-war, anti-gun, maybe to prosecute corporate CEO s for global warming crimes. Your side might be the minority, and you might value these rights. They came from some pretty smart men, and are used in some form by the best countries today.

Yes, yes. Go re-read my posts.

[muddyboots]

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject: poor taste

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Greenwood wrote in refrence to the Harry Doan skyraider picture.

Way to Go, Nathan. While the rest of us are expressing our disgust you did something positive about it. The seller may not have know it was a fatal accident, the wreckage doesn't look that bad.


BW Wrote
Another case of do as i say, not as i do,,,, Not that I approve of the picture but maybe the guy that was selling it should call the aclu because he was denied free speech for posting it on EBAY.


Aslo we should be able to curse on wix!

SCRANTON, Pa. - A woman who was cited for loudly cursing at her overflowing toilet — and then at a neighbor who told her to quiet down — has been acquitted on First Amendment grounds.

District Judge Terrence Gallagher dismissed the disorderly conduct charge against Dawn Herb, 33, ruling Thursday that she was within her rights when she let loose a string of profanities Oct. 11.

Although the language she used "may be considered by some to be offensive, vulgar and imprudent ... (it is) protected speech pursuant to the First Amendment," the judge wrote.

Good for her. I'll cuss at my toilet anytime I want, do you kiss your mother with that mouth?!

[Broken-Wrench]

HA HA It's a nice day here in new england! The snow storm is over and the sky is blue so I am going to brun some dino fuel today and do some barnstorming... I have to fly some more young eagles