Tue May 25, 2004 8:13 pm
Now I've never heard of anyone getting royalties from a magazine article, and most are published, without the actual plane owner making a dime, just publicity (and that's usually all they want, and some don't). So why would it be a problem on a CD? Are these same people going to front the money to make this CD happen, I don't think so.
I don't know about the royalty issue for the individual authors, I believe that the magazine's copyright would cover those legal issues, but some publications such as Warbirds Worldwide say Copyright WW and individual photographers and contributors. So that may mean that the individual author holds the copyright and they are just giving license for that publication. You would need a copyrigth lawyer to clarify this for sure. That being said, I can guarantee that if someone started selling CDs of a publication without the consent of the publisher, there are going to be legal problems.
I don't know about the royalty issue for the individual authors, I believe that the magazine's copyright would cover those legal issues, but some publications such as Warbirds Worldwide say Copyright WW and individual photographers and contributors. So that may mean that the individual author holds the copyright and they are just giving license for that publication. You would need a copyrigth lawyer to clarify this for sure. That being said, I can guarantee that if someone started selling CDs of a publication without the consent of the publisher, there are going to be legal problems.
Tue May 25, 2004 10:04 pm
Yup, that's me. Thanks for the compliment. For those that are interested, the article and a picture are at: http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi$pass*63285665!_h-www.landings.com/_landings/pacflyer/may8-2004/Mn-92-cover-teels-ge.html.............Roger
Tue May 25, 2004 10:19 pm
I agree that the publisher would be involved, especially with the copyrights, I just don't see that the authors of each individual article would be needed, to allow the original publisher to create a CD. Yes I too would love to see Air Classics and Warbirds Intl on CD.
For those that aren't aware and have a big collection of Air Classics, a few years ago, a loose leaf type binder was put out by P.J. Hogue called "The Index for Air Classics" that has a complete listing of every article and report that was put in AC from 1964 through mid 1998. The directory is cataloged via 12 different entries, and is a must have for your collection. It has 233 pages. And no, I'm not connected with it any way.
I'd have to keep the WW books though, they were nicely printed......
For those that aren't aware and have a big collection of Air Classics, a few years ago, a loose leaf type binder was put out by P.J. Hogue called "The Index for Air Classics" that has a complete listing of every article and report that was put in AC from 1964 through mid 1998. The directory is cataloged via 12 different entries, and is a must have for your collection. It has 233 pages. And no, I'm not connected with it any way.
I'd have to keep the WW books though, they were nicely printed......
A little weird
Tue May 25, 2004 11:18 pm
I thought individual permission thing was a little weird. You mean the comnpanies who make the magazines couldn't print them a second time? We are basically talking about reprints, in a different format. Assuming you had permission of the publisher wouldn't that be the only permission needed?
Just looking for clarification.
Just looking for clarification.
Re: A little weird
Tue May 25, 2004 11:50 pm
Scott WRG Editor wrote:I thought individual permission thing was a little weird. You mean the comnpanies who make the magazines couldn't print them a second time? We are basically talking about reprints, in a different format. Assuming you had permission of the publisher wouldn't that be the only permission needed?
Just looking for clarification.
And if Warbirds Worldwide is out of business/defunct/bankrupt(?), who now holds the copyright?
Wed May 26, 2004 4:44 am
I would have to check, but here are some of the issues:
US & UK / European copyright is different. Copyright is getting brought more in line globally, but it's not a level field yet...
Publishing something today it is normal to include some agreement for 'electronic rights' eg CD ROM, web etc. When WW was published, this was not an issue, and thus electronic rights were specifically excluded (see the normal copyright terms in a UK published book.)
WW went bankrupt. The Recievers owned the assets and disposed of them. Copyright of any article and photo etc reverts to the author / photographer, in the normal copyright terms, hence my original post.
Most UK publications opperate on FBSR - First British Serial Rights - the publisher can publish once, after that, rights revert to the author.
To digitise and index the 51 issues of WW would be quite a job, obviously possible, but I'm not convinced the sales would recoup costs (that's kind of Scott's original question.)
One of the main problems with WW was that people were too tight to buy it, but passed it around - lack of sales, lack of revenue; results in lack of the publication. Given the ease of copying CD ROMs, the problem would be even worse.
It's a great idea, I'd like to see it, but the hurdles are a bit too much IMHO.
Cheers
US & UK / European copyright is different. Copyright is getting brought more in line globally, but it's not a level field yet...
Publishing something today it is normal to include some agreement for 'electronic rights' eg CD ROM, web etc. When WW was published, this was not an issue, and thus electronic rights were specifically excluded (see the normal copyright terms in a UK published book.)
WW went bankrupt. The Recievers owned the assets and disposed of them. Copyright of any article and photo etc reverts to the author / photographer, in the normal copyright terms, hence my original post.
Most UK publications opperate on FBSR - First British Serial Rights - the publisher can publish once, after that, rights revert to the author.
To digitise and index the 51 issues of WW would be quite a job, obviously possible, but I'm not convinced the sales would recoup costs (that's kind of Scott's original question.)
One of the main problems with WW was that people were too tight to buy it, but passed it around - lack of sales, lack of revenue; results in lack of the publication. Given the ease of copying CD ROMs, the problem would be even worse.
It's a great idea, I'd like to see it, but the hurdles are a bit too much IMHO.
Cheers
Thanks
Wed May 26, 2004 11:29 am
Thanks JDK, that clarifies alot of my questions.
Wed May 26, 2004 12:16 pm
A way round the copyright issue may be to have a form of insurance that will pay out a fee if the original copyright owner does contact you. A bit like the way the UK government proposes to work with domant accounts and the money going to charity.... Of course the agreed fee would need to be fixed somewhere