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Pucker Factor 16.

Those planes can handle a fairly good cross wind, but that looked like a lot. Maybe too much, but would a captain and co-pilot both be willing to try and land a plane in winds well out of safety limits? A suppose I need to have a few more questions answered before I can even suggest the question.... Should they have even attempted the landing in the first place.

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daveymac82c wrote:
Pucker Factor 16.

Those planes can handle a fairly good cross wind, but that looked like a lot. Maybe too much, but would a captain and co-pilot both be willing to try and land a plane in winds well out of safety limits? A suppose I need to have a few more questions answered before I can even suggest the question.... Should they have even attempted the landing in the first place.

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No, they should not attempt a landing at a place that has winds out of limits. It would be job suicide to intentionally disregard company established limits. Probably what happened was that the winds were reported as being in limits prior to landing. It looks like either the winds were much stronger than reported or perhaps they caught a large gust as they were approaching the round-out for landing. Either way, that doesn't excuse them for not recognizing that the winds were definitely out of limits as established by the HUGE amount of crab required.

If the winds are out of limits prior to the approach, it's real simple. You just hold until they come back into limits and can land or you divert at your bingo fuel for your alternate.

They still screwed up, in my opinion.


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Found this in my inbox (not my interest)

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wind was 290/33 gusts to 49 (time ~ 13:55)
happened on flight LH 044 (D-AIQP) a A320 from MUC
runway for landing 23 LOC-DME (ATIS gave no other option)
after g/a, pilots elected runway 33 also LOC-DME approach and landed safely but minus the left winglet...
immediately after the incident ATIS gave runway 23 and 33 as well

was a he11 of a storm today, rocky landings all day round...
KLM refused to depart on 23 in that conditions and preferred to wait for 40 minutes for t/o rwy 33
Emirates A345 tried once 23, 15 minutes later 33, but broke off each time, exceeded bank angles on final, diverted to FRA
other widebody ground service was unable to lift up catering boxes due to windforce

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How about input from Wixers that are commercial pilots? :)

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sdennison wrote:
How about input from Wixers that are commercial pilots? :)


I am one, but I gave you my opinion already. :D


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