Jay Leno P-51C

[Jack Cook]

some people don't consider "Ol' 927" to be a "real" B-24 because it was built as an LB-30

I thought it was originally a B-24A

[kmiles]

Betty Jane is a P-51C, a quick search on the FAA registration database shows that. The paint scheme is from a B model. The data block is part of the paint scheme, and so it shows it as a B model.

PS - The FAA registration database still has only one B-24 listed.

[retroaviation]

PS - The FAA registration database still has only one B-24 listed.

Well, I can't keep quiet anymore. Just because the FAA has it listed that way, doesn't mean it's the only B-24. For example...if the LB30 isn't a B-24, then how is it that Rob Collings doesn't have a B-24 type rating?



ROBERT FRANK COLLINGS
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City STOW State MA
County MIDDLESEX Zip Code 01775-1529
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Certificates
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DOI: 9/5/2007
Certificate: AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT
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Type Ratings


A/B-17 A/CE-500 A/CV-LB30 A/N-B25 C/G-TBM

The point is that they are BOTH B-24s! One is a B-24A/LB30 (that paperwork IS in the process of being straightened out with the FAA) and the other is a B-24J. Geez, how many times do we have to say that? I personally think it's awesome that there are TWO B-24s flying, no matter what the FAA or anyone else calls 'em.

Please believe me when I say I'm not trying to stir the pot with this (already spoke with Jim H, via electric computer and we're cool). I just knew someone would bring up the FAA paperwork part and I thought I'd try to clarify it a bit.

Gary

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[Jerry O'Neill]

Gary;
That's TOO FUNNY!!!
Jerry

[k5083]

The point is that they are BOTH B-24s! One is a B-24A/LB30 (that paperwork IS in the process of being straightened out with the FAA) and the other is a B-24J. Geez, how many times do we have to say that?

You don't have to say it any more times, Gary. Most of us know the relevant facts and have arrived at our own opinions as to whether 927 is a B-24. Some of us buy it, some don't. Some care, some don't.

As for whether the Collings P-51 is a B or a C, the answer is that it is neither. Bs were built in California. Cs were built in Texas. The Collings airplane was built in Idaho in the early 2000s.

August

[Jack Cook]

As for whether the Collings P-51 is a B or a C, the answer is that it is neither. Bs were built in California. Cs were built in Texas. The Collings airplane was built in Idaho in the early 2000s.

Does that make it a B+ or a C-

[JimH]

http://www.warbirdregistry.org/p51regis ... 03293.html
http://mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/surviv ... 3293.shtml
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... dfind.y=11

[51fixer]

As for whether the Collings P-51 is a B or a C, the answer is that it is neither. Bs were built in California. Cs were built in Texas. The Collings airplane was built in Idaho in the early 2000s.

Does that make it a B+ or a C-

Come on, grades like that aren't given out any more. They can be devastating to the psych of the person. Now they say Pass, Fail or Incomplete. Just like no Recess as it much better for a boy to be medicated and sitting in a seat rather than running around to get rid of his energy.
If one looks closely it is painted as a B when it is a C, so Fail.
The landing gear is set up as a D model system rather than a B/C. Yes there is a world of difference. So incomplete.
Appearance- Pass.
Of course then we can go to the Bell Curve.
Rich

[Second Air Force]

Incomplete is so harsh, don't you think, Rich? We need to nurture the youth, not brand them with such harsh labels.

The Mustang has a nice data plate, I'm sure.

[visaliaaviation]

Why do we bother? We only come here to this site to have our aviation seratonin levels recharged with feel good, well worn re-assurances that our particular fuzzy view of historical matters is still intact. We can't have anyone messing with our comfortable perceptions. We fool ouselve into believing that certain facts do not matter, while others are VERY important. Straining out the knat is commendable as long as it doesn't interfere with swallowing the camel!

BTW- did anyone notice the wing tip nav lights? Very un P-51B OR C.

[Second Air Force]

"Gnat", visaliaaviation.

[Forgotten Field]

So he's typed on the LB-30. Perhaps that is the only type rating available in the FAA classification. The LB-30 looks great, but it's not a B-24A, no matter how nice the paint... Is Collings stealing nickels from the CAF by branding the airplane in what could be considered a proper title, as the only flying B-24J? If so, take him to court. If not, get over it...

[Bill Greenwood]

Well, Sen. George McGovern thought it was a B-24 when he sat in the pilot's seat at Oskosh and he ought to know.
On the other hand, if you hang out in the desert too long you can begin to hallucinate as when Gary thinks a V-12 Chevy, (Allison) is as good as the mighty Merlin.

[John Beyl]

Well, Sen. George McGovern thought it was a B-24 when he sat in the pilot's seat at Oskosh and he ought to know.
On the other hand, if you hang out in the desert too long you can begin to hallucinate as when Gary thinks a V-12 Chevy, (Allison) is as good as the mighty Merlin.

Bill, clearly the Allison is not as good as the Merlin...it's better. Take that from a guy who has been through both of them. God love 'em but the Brits could engineer the simplicity out of anything...that's why they drink warm beer!

As for B verses C models. Don't count on the FAA registry to shed any light on that subject. As far as they are concerned there is only the C model since nobody to this date has bothered to go through the hoops of getting a real B model registered. Times are a changin' though and we will see the first registered B model soon.

John

[51fixer]

Well, Sen. George McGovern thought it was a B-24 when he sat in the pilot's seat at Oskosh and he ought to know.
On the other hand, if you hang out in the desert too long you can begin to hallucinate as when Gary thinks a V-12 Chevy, (Allison) is as good as the mighty Merlin.

Bill, clearly the Allison is not as good as the Merlin...it's better. Take that from a guy who has been through both of them. God love 'em but the Brits could engineer the simplicity out of anything...that's why they drink warm beer!

As for B verses C models. Don't count on the FAA registry to shed any light on that subject. As far as they are concerned there is only the C model since nobody to this date has bothered to go through the hoops of getting a real B model registered. Times are a changin' though and we will see the first registered B model soon.

John

Recently the Type Certificate for the P-51 changed hands. It is now the property of Teeters. There is also 1 B specifically listed on it. I believe it to be the Rousch P-51B.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guida ... LTC-11.pdf
Rich