Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:41 am
LOL. Thanks for the correction Eric. 
BTW, I never thought of you as a jackass. I guess I have to re-arrange the manger now.
I guess that means that I have to promote Jack to Shepherd.
BTW, I never thought of you as a jackass. I guess I have to re-arrange the manger now.
I guess that means that I have to promote Jack to Shepherd.
Last edited by CAPFlyer on Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:56 am, edited 1 time in total.
Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:50 am
CAPFlyer wrote:
My Avatar wasn't a clue?
Eric
BTW, I never thought of you as a jackass.
My Avatar wasn't a clue?
Eric
Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:56 am
I figured the mule was your "other car".
Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:17 am
CAPflyer wrote:
Well, I claim it's a "Missouri" thing, but others seem to see it differently. Oh well, either way I just keep focused on pissing off the whole world, one post at a time.
I figured the mule was your "other car".
Well, I claim it's a "Missouri" thing, but others seem to see it differently. Oh well, either way I just keep focused on pissing off the whole world, one post at a time.
Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:02 am
Just thank GOD for hooked on Fonikx 
and who likes all them stinkin pictures anywho? 
just keep chasing that carrot 
and I'll be happy!!
and who likes all them stinkin pictures anywho? just keep chasing that carrot and I'll be happy!!
Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:18 pm
All Cokes are colas but not all colas are Coke. SANDY is a specific Skyraider callsign used for performing CSAR in Southeast Asia. The callsign lives on in other AF units today and in lore from movies like "Flight of the Intruder".
Douglas named the airplane Skyraider and anyone from those early days, particularly from the Navy and Marines are fond of using the AD (Attack Douglas) moniker. The airplane variants were AD-1 thru AD-7, etc, with specific sub-variants such as AD-4N. Given the old phonetic alphabet you can see why it was called AD "Able Dog". I believe the Korean era is where "Flying Dump Truck" came from.
In 1962 the Navy changed from AD to A-1. An AD-5, for example, became an A-1E. An AD-6 is an A-1H, etc. A subvariant example of the A-1E would be EA-1E.
The Air Force began flying the airplane in the early 60's. Of course these were all transferred as there there were no A-1s built solely for the AF. Because units eventually ended up being a mix of wide-body A-1E and A-1Gs with single-pilot A-1H and A-1J airplanes, the E/G birds were (slang)called "Fat Face" - no doubt due to the slower speed and increased drag.
Spad seems to have two origins. Navy lore points to "Single Pilot AD" and AF lore points towards the razzing A-1 crews got from the jet air force for flying an antique.
Each Air Force squadron in SEA had a callsign. HOBO, ZORRO, SPAD, and FIREFLY are a few. SANDY dates back to an early A-1 detatchment in 1965 when airplanes from Bien Hoa went to sit SAR alert at Udorn. A pilot used this call sign and his replacements continued to do so and the practice spread. There are examples of A-1 SAR forces using SANDY from other bases, as I'm sure there are examples of A-1s flying SAR as SPAD or HOBO, etc. I'm fairly sure that the replacing A-7 Corsair pilots flying SAR in 1972 retained the SANDY call sign as well. If it's like today, the headquarters air operations center assigns all callsigns for a given day's flying missions.
So .... there are official names, nicknames, slang, unit, and mission callsigns. And I'm sure there are some I missed or didn't fully detail.
Not every Skyraider is an A-1E nor was each one a SANDY, just like not every tissue is a Kleenex.
Ken
Douglas named the airplane Skyraider and anyone from those early days, particularly from the Navy and Marines are fond of using the AD (Attack Douglas) moniker. The airplane variants were AD-1 thru AD-7, etc, with specific sub-variants such as AD-4N. Given the old phonetic alphabet you can see why it was called AD "Able Dog". I believe the Korean era is where "Flying Dump Truck" came from.
In 1962 the Navy changed from AD to A-1. An AD-5, for example, became an A-1E. An AD-6 is an A-1H, etc. A subvariant example of the A-1E would be EA-1E.
The Air Force began flying the airplane in the early 60's. Of course these were all transferred as there there were no A-1s built solely for the AF. Because units eventually ended up being a mix of wide-body A-1E and A-1Gs with single-pilot A-1H and A-1J airplanes, the E/G birds were (slang)called "Fat Face" - no doubt due to the slower speed and increased drag.
Spad seems to have two origins. Navy lore points to "Single Pilot AD" and AF lore points towards the razzing A-1 crews got from the jet air force for flying an antique.
Each Air Force squadron in SEA had a callsign. HOBO, ZORRO, SPAD, and FIREFLY are a few. SANDY dates back to an early A-1 detatchment in 1965 when airplanes from Bien Hoa went to sit SAR alert at Udorn. A pilot used this call sign and his replacements continued to do so and the practice spread. There are examples of A-1 SAR forces using SANDY from other bases, as I'm sure there are examples of A-1s flying SAR as SPAD or HOBO, etc. I'm fairly sure that the replacing A-7 Corsair pilots flying SAR in 1972 retained the SANDY call sign as well. If it's like today, the headquarters air operations center assigns all callsigns for a given day's flying missions.
So .... there are official names, nicknames, slang, unit, and mission callsigns. And I'm sure there are some I missed or didn't fully detail.
Not every Skyraider is an A-1E nor was each one a SANDY, just like not every tissue is a Kleenex.
Ken
Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:38 pm
51fixer wrote:Ztex wrote:Mudge wrote:
It also featured a large compartment with ample light from large canopies which also opened both for each front pilot and also for the rear hold. This gave rise to the 'dump truck' name calling.
Rich
Thanks Rich for straightenin that out for me, on the Dump Truck thing, and they can hang for a long time over ground troops
Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:26 pm
Trey
Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:47 pm
And wasn't the AD (specifically AD-4B, AD-6 & AD-7) the only single-engine prop nuclear bomber?
By the 1962 redesig to A-1, the nuke mission for Spads was going away.
By the 1962 redesig to A-1, the nuke mission for Spads was going away.
Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:09 am
Dont forget about her heavy haulin much more attractive sister the AM-1!
Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:10 pm
If I remember correctly on the AD-5 there was some where on the wing tip a pulley could be placed so that with the wing folded they could hoist wounded soldiers on a stretcher into the hold.
Also to show the differences between Officers and enlisted I believe the seating back there could be arranged for 4 seats for officers or canvas benches along each side for 12 enlisted total.
For real long missions with an AD-5 they would place a drum of oil back there and had a provision to pump oil into the firewall oil tank. Even with a 30ish gallon oil tank they had enough gas to out fly their oil supply.
Rich
Also to show the differences between Officers and enlisted I believe the seating back there could be arranged for 4 seats for officers or canvas benches along each side for 12 enlisted total.
For real long missions with an AD-5 they would place a drum of oil back there and had a provision to pump oil into the firewall oil tank. Even with a 30ish gallon oil tank they had enough gas to out fly their oil supply.
Rich
Re: Skyraider Interior Pictures?
Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:25 pm
bump on account of the awesome shots of Eric's A-1E.
Re: Skyraider Interior Pictures?
Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:53 pm
Here are some snapshots of the fuselage compartment in the Kalamazoo Air Zoo's Skyraider. Obviously the electronic racks are empty, and I don't think the shag carpet is military issue, but I'm assuming the basic compartment is more-or-less stock.
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