USAF out to potentially destroy RAF museum loan bomber

JDK · **Posted:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:50 am

Randy Haskin wrote:

JDK wrote:

Joking aside, it needs it. Could you get a team to become the DAS (Dux Av Soc) Lakenheath Wing?

It will probably end up being just a volunteer effort off duty hours. Who knows how the paint will be purchased or where it will be painted, but I'm sure it will work out somehow.

Lakenheath has a very good relationship with Duxford all ready. Mr. Ashton is my squadron's "Honorary Commander" and attends many of our official and social events.

That's great to hear Randy.

Less fun for some than internet-museum-bashing, and a lot more worthwhile to hear about. :prayer:

As you are a pilot, the tip is the bristly end goes in the paint. :lol:

How often do you get over to DX yourself?

JDK · **Posted:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:53 am

Randy Haskin wrote:

I was trying to figure out a way to make it look like the greatest fighter aircraft of all time -- the Mustang -- but couldn't make it work.

I vaguely recall it. Turned up late, didn't do much, wasn't properly painted - Came in blue or silver.

Made by CAC weren't they? Or Cessna?

Byeee....

Randy Haskin · **Posted:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:00 am

JDK wrote:

How often do you get over to DX yourself?

Unfortunately, not nearly as much as I wish I could. Lakenheath is a very busy place to work, to begin with. Package that with the fact that I am working on my MBA in my off time and I have a family....well, that means I don't have a whole lot of other free time to begin with.

That is one thing I wish I would have done differently during my time in the UK.

JDK wrote:

I vaguely recall it. Turned up late, didn't do much, wasn't properly painted - Came in blue or silver.

Made by CAC weren't they? Or Cessna?

Heh, well played.

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:00 am

I have a hard time saying that there is NO way to move the Vulcan. So how did the museum in Hendon do it? I feel confident saying that if they can dismantle the C-99 and move it to Dayton, then a Vulcan is possible.

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:02 am

As for the Mustang I believe it was built by North AMERICAN, and it was the enemy that said, "When I saw the Mustang over Germany, I knew the war was lost." :lol:

Mark_Pilkington · **Posted:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:39 am

mustangdriver wrote:

I have a hard time saying that there is NO way to move the Vulcan. So how did the museum in Hendon do it? I feel confident saying that if they can dismantle the C-99 and move it to Dayton, then a Vulcan is possible.

Might be a "flying" one going cheap in the UK soon?

air delivery?

smiles

Mark Pilkington

JDK · **Posted:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:18 am

mustangdriver wrote:

I have a hard time saying that there is NO way to move the Vulcan. So how did the museum in Hendon do it? I feel confident saying that if they can dismantle the C-99 and move it to Dayton, then a Vulcan is possible.

As I said before, from paying attention in an earlier thread:

JDK wrote:

Mikey Jnr wrote:

Probably the same way they got the one into Hendon. I seem to remember there were pics of it arriving on a fleet of lorries* in the comics at the time.

As Firebird said earlier, top of page 3 or second last post:
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/p ... hp?t=25877

Quote:

Moving a Vulcan anywhere isn't an easy task - full stop.

The design doesn't allow them to be broken down and put back together again.
It's only been done once as far as I know, and that was the RAFM Hendon example, which was done immediately after RAF retirement with access to 30 years of RAF Vulcan know how from the 'crash n smash' teams.
The design also doesn't allow them to be easily sawn up into bits and welded back together again.

Wherever Vulcans were flown to is generally where they will stay till being scrapped after corrsion of the u/c support structure see them collasping onto the ground or it can be towed under cover and looked after properly provided they arn't already a lost cause.

There's a lot of expertise and tools back then that aren't available now, not ever available in the USA. You can't 'just' take the wings off - the Vulcan is a wing!

I'm not saying it 'can't be done' just I don't know how it can be done without a lot of difficulties. I suspect a butcher job would be necessary to make it into pieces.

Regards,

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:26 am

Did the museum take note of how they moved their example. I don't think a butcher job is needed. I paid attention too pal, but so far all I have read is that it can't be done. Well someone did it once, let's study up.

JDK · **Posted:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:34 am

Whatever.

At least get what's been said right. Not "can't" but "very difficult." That's paying attention or not.

Let's just hope it doesn't get to that.

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:40 am

I am trying to ask if there is information out there about how the other one was taken apart. The article I erad says basically they are all doomed to scrap. I would rather attempt to save the aircraft. Maybe by comparing notes we can see just how is the best way to take apart the aircraft if it comes to that. I meant no disrespect. So chill.

JDK · **Posted:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:52 am

mustangdriver wrote:

I am trying to ask if there is information out there about how the other one was taken apart. The article I erad says basically they are all doomed to scrap. I would rather attempt to save the aircraft. Maybe by comparing notes we can see just how is the best way to take apart the aircraft if it comes to that.

That's the right attitude.

mustangdriver wrote:

I meant no disrespect. So chill.

Would be nice. It was 43C today here, and at 11pm it's 33C (that's 110 - 91 F). Going to be over 40 for the rest of the week.

No worries.

flyingheritage · **Joined:** Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:00 am **Posts:** 349

So why is everyone denying this media news article ?.... which indicate the 8th AF museum has many objects that could be moved or at the worse potentially scrapped but think otherwise?

The USAF has said it will scrap them if needs be.

Now we all know that would be down right immature and silly for the USAF museums to see their items scrapped, mearly becuase they are unloved thru lack of volunteers.

The media reported that the bomber is under POTENTIAL scrapping please note the media says that so they must have it correct. Unless their journalist was a complete dill and couldnt research more before publishing the item.

Moving a plane to somewhere and then been not able to rebuild it back togther, would effectivelty mean it has to be scrapped. Maybe this is what they are hinting at.

How many planes have i seen moved and owners said they be rebuilt and then end up been scrap metal??.. quite a few in my last 25years.

I work and volunteer my time and resources at 3 railway museums, 2 aviation museums and some other work and i can say unless people volunteer and get off their back side nothing will be saved or restored anywhere at all around this world.

Dave Homewood · **Posted:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:04 am

I wonder whether it would be cheaper to build a building for it to get it indoors than to shift it to another museum? All this talk of dificulty in shifting it sounds expensive.

JDK · **Posted:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:04 am

No one's denying it, it's a newspaper report.

You know, journalism? They don't tend to say 'It's probably not all that bad' in the headlines.

Thanks for the community service announcement. Most of us are volunteering already, thanks.

Tip - have a think about how you're coming over - the intent's good, the tone isn't going to win you friends or influence.

Just a few thoughts...

BTW, for our international readers, a 'dill' is an insult, not a small pickle. However calling someone a small pickle is about the level of insult, although it's actually an abbreviation for a man-substitute with batteries.

Everyone have a nice day now.

flyingheritage · **Joined:** Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:00 am **Posts:** 349

Considering 99% of journalist i know and seen in action would call a Cessna 152 ....a Boeing 767 ......same as a P-51 .....a F-15 , i think i can vouch quite rightluy that most world wide journalists can get most aviations stories wrong and alot get away with murder.

Now...

You dont see journos getting sport cars or sporting athelete details wrong but they always fudge aviation.

You imagine the uproar that happens if Mr xxx soccer football player was called a NRL player .. youd have people going blue in their face and calling and writing into a paper... which i have seen happen.

So when aviation is screwed up as it gets a lot...that to ME is offensive and shows aviation is the poor man's dirt in media.

Only journalists who get it right are one who work on aviation magazines or assist/author books. Even at times they get it wrong.Which is i guess allowed.

Mainstream media has the issues and i call them dills all the time.

If you think someone who is meant to read, research, write and produce information stories for the world at large ....cant do their job.. what would you call them?

If you can handle next time a jurno calling a B727 a Airbus well im glad.. 'cause i dont.

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