'Lady Be Good' - in from the heat?
Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:49 pm
March 2009 Flypast reports Libya has commissioned London based architects to design a 'Museum of Conflict' for Tripoli.
Will this be the final resting place for one of my favourite aeroplanes?
Further details here:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/ ... re-museums
PeterA
Will this be the final resting place for one of my favourite aeroplanes?
Further details here:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/ ... re-museums
PeterA
Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:56 pm
LBG should be brought back to the states!
Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:40 pm
Yes, she needs to come home.
Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:36 pm
same opinion here too
Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:52 pm
But should she be restored?
Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:03 pm
I say no. Just display it as it is today. It would be a fitting memorial to her crew that way and a reminder to future genarations of the sacrifices made.
Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:38 pm
Pat Carry wrote:I say no. Just display it as it is today. It would be a fitting memorial to her crew that way and a reminder to future genarations of the sacrifices made.
Ditto. I 2nd that!
Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:39 pm
LBG is resting in the Libyan countryside, where it remains as that was where it crashed.
Whats so hard to accept? When a plane crashes on a war mission in a hostile country - you have to accept that is a loss and you aint going to get it back.
How come no one has wanted to do the same to all the crashed jets from the Korean or Vietnam War - arent they worth saving too?
How many Mig killing planes were shot down and require saving?.. i suspect a few.
Whats so hard to accept? When a plane crashes on a war mission in a hostile country - you have to accept that is a loss and you aint going to get it back.
How come no one has wanted to do the same to all the crashed jets from the Korean or Vietnam War - arent they worth saving too?
How many Mig killing planes were shot down and require saving?.. i suspect a few.
Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:02 pm
Actually if you look at the second photo PeterA posted above. LBG was recovered by the Libyans and is in downtown Tripoli (IIRC) as in the photo.
When they recovered it they cut it apart into pieces that don't really represnt an airplane.
I wouldn't be up for restoring it to "flyable" shape, but it should be restored to look like it did when it landed itself in the desert all those years ago.
Mark H
When they recovered it they cut it apart into pieces that don't really represnt an airplane.
I wouldn't be up for restoring it to "flyable" shape, but it should be restored to look like it did when it landed itself in the desert all those years ago.
Mark H
Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:12 pm
Can any diplomatic, or other efforts be made on the Libian governtment to allow her to come home? Any one want to get a petition going for our government to give to Libya?
-J
-J
Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:17 pm
I say leave her there .
Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:21 pm
I'd like to see it recovered and at least displayed in a manner that can honor the brave crews that fought to keep the world free.
Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:36 pm
Lest we Forget the crew of the Lady Be Good
514th Squadron
376th Bomb Group
9th Air Force
1st Lieutenant William J. Hatton, Pilot
Whitestone, New York
2d Lieutenant Robert F. Toner, Copilot
North Attelboro, Massachusetts
2d Lieutenant Dp Hays, Navigator
Lee's Summit Missouri
2d Lieutenant John S. Woravka, Bombardier
Cleveland, Ohio
Technical Sergeant Harold J. Ripslinger, Flight Engineer
Saginaw, Michigan
Technical Sergeant Robert E. LaMotte, Radio Operator
Lake Linden, Michigan
Staff Sergeant Guy E. Shelley, Gunner/Asst Flight Engineer
New Cumberland, Pennsylvania
Staff Sergeant Vernon L. Moore, Gunner/Asst Radio Operator
New Boston, Ohio
Staff Sergeant Samuel R. Adams, Gunner
Eureka, Illinois
514th Squadron
376th Bomb Group
9th Air Force
1st Lieutenant William J. Hatton, Pilot
Whitestone, New York
2d Lieutenant Robert F. Toner, Copilot
North Attelboro, Massachusetts
2d Lieutenant Dp Hays, Navigator
Lee's Summit Missouri
2d Lieutenant John S. Woravka, Bombardier
Cleveland, Ohio
Technical Sergeant Harold J. Ripslinger, Flight Engineer
Saginaw, Michigan
Technical Sergeant Robert E. LaMotte, Radio Operator
Lake Linden, Michigan
Staff Sergeant Guy E. Shelley, Gunner/Asst Flight Engineer
New Cumberland, Pennsylvania
Staff Sergeant Vernon L. Moore, Gunner/Asst Radio Operator
New Boston, Ohio
Staff Sergeant Samuel R. Adams, Gunner
Eureka, Illinois
Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:41 pm
mustangdriver wrote:I'd like to see it recovered and at least displayed in a manner that can honor the brave crews that fought to keep the world free.
Well, it's been recovered, to Tripoli, and the Lybians are looking to build a museum which (hopefully) would see her on display. (P51Mstg - the big problem is missing stuff looted, more than the deconstruction of the pieces. It wouldn't be hard to roughly lay out what's there as discovered as an interim to a restoration/conservation 'as found'.)
While there may be more opportunity to return it to a representation of the crash site in the USA (including the bits previously 'lifted') IMHO, it would be more politic and a better diplomatic move for US financial support to re-create the crash site in the new museum. Making friends overseas, rather than trying to keep all the toys in one's own toybox.
Not all British aircraft 'belong' in Britain, or US aircraft in the USA. Many of those overseas give great pleasure, act as memorials and generate revenue elsewhere - that's all good.
There's no justification IMHO to building a new B-24 with the LBG dataplate and some parts - the aircraft's history, which is important as social history particularly, is of the crash and the crew's loss.
It would be a memorial to inadequate navigation training and experience as much as fighting for freedom.
Regards,