P-38 Update please

[bdk]

Hi all--

Noticed two things for different reasons and thought I'd ask...

1. BDK--you mention Bob Swanson's crashed '51 possibly surrendering its ID to another airframe. Presumably the crashed one was NX66111 "Full House", the ID of which survives (ex-Dominica); can you confirm the original NX66111 no longer exists? (Have seen a pic of it post-crash-landing, and it looked pretty good, but that's by 2005 standards...1946 standards would be less generous!)

2. Kenn--your mention of Texan dataplates being used to turn Harvards into T-6s (so to speak) clicks with Peter W's inquiry about the vanished ex-Age Of Flight Museum Harvard 4, 20300. Could that be how she disappeared...hiding in plain sight? I do know the Mk.4 Harvards were indeed Experimental rather than Normal (I forget why but it accounts for all the weird and wonderful replica configurations they've been converted to!)

S.

No I didn't!

The Harvard 4's were built in Canada postwar and therefore were never included in the type certificate because:

a) They were foreign built (and to quality standards not accepted by the FAA)

b) They were built after the type certificate was created for the NAA surplus aircraft and were never later added (see reason a)

What makes this sketchy is the fact that most of Harvard 4 parts were either new-old stock or refurbished T6 parts anyhow. Since they were assembled and became aircraft in Canada though, see reason a. Now if you disassembled that Harvard and threw away all the Canadian built parts, you could reassemble the plane as a legitimate T6- assuming you had some paperwork or registered the aircraft as being built from parts.

On the other hand, if you have the registration from a long since scrapped P-51 that had an airworthiness certificate, then you could build a replica out of papier mache with an auto engine and call it a real P-51 (assuming you can find an IA to sign off the annual inspection). Without the all-important airworthiness certificate you would need to go through a conformity inspection to verify that your parts collection met the requirements for the Limited Category (or Standard Category in the case of a T6).

At least that is how I understand it!

Last edited by bdk on Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:47 am, edited 1 time in total.

[kennsmithf2g]

IHi,

I don't recall Bob saying what he had done with the parts from Full House. Just that he had sold the data plate.

His second Mustang, Second Fiddle, is at the Crawford Museum here in Cleveland, Ohio. It was purchased by Fred Crawford after the race.

Kenn

[mrhenniger]

What makes this sketchy is the fact that most of Harvard IV parts were either new-old stock or refurbished T6 parts anyhow. Since they were assembled and became aircraft in Canada though, see reason a. Now if you disassembled that Harvard and threw away all the Canadian built parts, you could reassemble the plane as a legitimate T6- assuming you had some paperwork or registered the aircraft as being built from parts.

Were there not CCF built T-6s for the USAF? I think the designation was T-6J. Do they have a type certificate? If not then would it be because they were simply built in Canada?

Just curious.

Mike

[snj-5]

The type certificate for the T-6 (a-2-575) specifically lists those
aircraft that are eligible by serial number. No T-6J is listed (more
than one historian says no T-6Js were ever built....???).

What is covered is the BC-1A thru the T-6G.

The T/C does allow Harvard II aircraft built in the U.S., but specifies
that "American landing gear" must be used, the throttle quadrants
must be modified to US specification and the exhaust stack must
be US configuration (no long Canadian "heater" stacks), the landing
gear doors must be installed and the spade grip must be replaced
with a pistol grip (there are a few other minor specifications listed).

[Justin Taylan]

WRG,

Hi there, here are historical details on the p-38 in question:

P-38H 42-66841
http://www.pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/p ... 66841.html

Classic Jets
http://www.pacificwrecks.com/restore/classic.html


Best,
- Justin

[croweater]

photos that were taken on the 10th.
forgot to turn the date off on my camera- I'm no pro.
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[Lightning]

Howdy Croweater

What is the current progress of #153 ?

I noticed in the pics that part of the right wing has been attached and the Undercarriage doors have been installed !
What about the main U/C wheels ?

Are there any missing parts on this rebuild ?

Is it just me or is that green paint on the right boom, supposed to be Olive Drab ?

Does Mr.Bob Jarrett have a completion date on this P-38 rebuild ?

Keep Em flying

Lightning

[setter]

Hi Lightning

This is a static rebuild and all things take time and are not necessarily finished in a set order - also I believe the machine was put together temporialy at this time for some purpose so it looked a complete aircraft. I imagine there is still a bit to be obtained but Bob and Co are pretty resourceful so I imagine they have leads on what they need. If you have access to any parts I'm sure they would love to hear from you.

Regards
John P

[Digger]

G'day all

Setter is correct........again!

Everything has been done in a particular order and for specific reasons.
There is an intended 'official' completion date but I will not go into the particulars for obvious reasons, needless to say it is and will finally be an excellent example of its type and one that all (South) Australians can be proud of.

There has been alot of interest in this project from so many different parties within the local community and I hope one day Bob will be able to put the entire experience down on paper and tell the amazing story of the rebirth of this very complete and most original aircraft


cheers

Digger

[Ollie]

Lemme nit pick here.

It's a Harvard 4, as the Commonwealth had dropped Roman numeral designations by then.

[bdk]

It's a Harvard 4, as the Commonwealth had dropped Roman numeral designations by then.

Sounds like Chris has to change his handle then!

[Originalboxcar]

Any more info on the Manila cache of P-38's?

Last word on those in this thread was that 2 were excavated in "good condition".

Do we have an exact number of aircraft and types buried? Anyone have recent photos? Mr. Setter?

regards,

t~

[warbird51]

The pictures of the P-38 restoration look great. But something is not right and I'm suprised nobody has commented up on it. The P-38 used Curtiss Electric props and The pics show Hamilton Standard and they both rotate counterclockwise.

[airnutz]

Howdy warbird51! We did discuss those details...at the top of the first page
of this thread...

[warbird51]

Now why would I read the first post first???

Excuse me as I go wipe the egg off my face

It still looks great!!