Pearl Harbor P-40

hang the expense · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:13 am

Sorry,the flaps were not down.I am looking at another wreck photo.

Mgawa · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:27 am

Hey Nathan- you did your best and material you provided actually did refresh this subject!! I do respect you (as well all other members of this precious forum)

Cheers

David_Aiken · **Joined:** Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:31 pm **Posts:** 403

hang the expense wrote:

These P-40's at Bellows where envolved in a taxi accidant on December 8th. These were not damaged during the attack.

cheers,
Nathan

Hey Nathan,That is no taxi accident.The bird with the gash was struck by the bird with the missing outboard left wing.This happened on landing because the flaps are down on the bird with the gear knocked out.[/quote]

Hi "Hang",
The incident happened in the pre-dawn operation on 8 Dec....according to the guys on the ground... I am not priviledged to more than they were launching planes.
HTH,
David Aiken
PS: After the 100thBG "Hang the Expense III" was sent to depot to repair the tail...the test pilot was an ex-100th BG pilot... and he used ""III" as the photographer plane while they made several aerial photos from which the MONOGRAM 1/48 P-38 (circa 1962) markings originated. I did an brief article in an OLD IPMS QUARTERLY (circa 1968-9?) on the P-38.

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:44 am

Since we were looking at P-36's I just realized that the NMUSAF P-36 was the first P-36 delivered to the USAAC.

David_Aiken · **Joined:** Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:31 pm **Posts:** 403

mustangdriver wrote:

Since we were looking at P-36's I just realized that the NMUSAF P-36 was the first P-36 delivered to the USAAC.

Wright Field kept an early sample of each varient plane off the production line to have tests run if something untoward happened in combat.

...the B-17C was kept and when freezing of oxygen and guns happened to the RAF versions, the 88th RS crews were called in to run tests on that Wright Field plane.

David_Aiken · **Joined:** Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:31 pm **Posts:** 403

Trivia: what is the ship name applied BELOW the "2-O-3" on the KINGFISHER posted above (page 4)? At least, it would be on the actual plane...

Nathan · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:29 pm

David_Aiken wrote:

Trivia: what is the ship name applied BELOW the "2-O-3" on the KINGFISHER posted above (page 4)? At least, it would be on the actual plane...

Well VO-2 was with the USS Oklahoma and California.

David_Aiken · **Joined:** Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:31 pm **Posts:** 403

David_Aiken wrote:

VO-2 was with the USS Oklahoma, Tennessee, and California.

...and the proper ship name for the particular Kingfisher...?

Nathan · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:14 pm

I'm gonna have to guess..USS California? I think I remember reading that the Oklahoma Kingfisher was onboard ship on December 7th(they recovered parts of it during a dredging operation in the early 1990's). And I think I remember seeing pictures of the USS Tennessee and seeing Kingfishers on it on December 7th. So that is why I am guessing The USS California. Do I win? :lol:

David_Aiken · **Joined:** Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:31 pm **Posts:** 403

have you a method of being 'sure'?

Nathan · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:02 pm

David_Aiken wrote:

have you a method of being 'sure'?

no David...it's a guess. :wink:

Or asking you for the answer! haha :lol:

hang the expense · **Posted:** Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:17 am

mustangdriver wrote:

Since we were looking at P-36's I just realized that the NMUSAF P-36 was the first P-36 delivered to the USAAC.

I believe the serial number is 38-001.I think she was a Pratt and Whitney test bed and is the only reason she survived.The guy from Alabama bought it from P&W is what I have been told.

Mgawa · **Posted:** Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:31 am

But at least.... no image with enough info to make accurate profile or scale model of any of the hero who climb into sky that day...

:cry:

Nathan · **Posted:** Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:41 am

Mgawa wrote:

But at least.... no image with enough info to make accurate profile or scale model of any of the hero who climb into sky that day...

:cry:

When it comes down to it you won't be able to make any 100% accurate profile of Pearl Harbor P-40 and P-36.s Info and facts keep changing about these aircraft. Pearl Harbor P-40's and P-36's are one of the biggest aircraft markings mysteries of WWII. :shock:

It sure makes a guy like me that want to build Pearl Harbor P-40 models very frustrated!!

But I am sure someday a few more facts and photos will show and we will be able to see the markings of a few more PH aircraft. Untill then keep searching and keep hoping!

Cheers,
Nathan

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