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South Dakota Air & Space Museum [PICS]-Props

Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:20 pm

Did the Black Hills Thing with the crew last month and took this side trip on the way to Dinosaur Park... :roll:
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Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:26 am

What is that going on with the C-47's tail? Coming apart or a real funky rudder lock?

Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:33 am

Neat to see the Curtiss Electric props on the B-29, but I didn't know they used that big paddle blade, like on the P-47s.

Gary

Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:03 pm

Holedigger wrote:What is that going on with the C-47's tail? Coming apart or a real funky rudder lock?

Looks like she has damaged fabric...temporary patch til they get round2it?

Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:14 pm

Is that B-25 the only one left that's still in its unconverted Military Cargo form?

Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:26 pm

Dunno about cargo, but Miss Hap and the B-25 on the USS Yorktown (Charleston, SC) also have executive transport window configurations. In the case of the Yorktown plane, whether this was a civil mod made to a TB-25 or if it was a legit AF transport, I'm not sure. The same could be asked of the one in this thread. I'll leave that to the real B-25 experts ....

Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:09 pm

gale_dono wrote:Is that B-25 the only one left that's still in its unconverted Military Cargo form?


The B-25 I believe was Dwight Eisenhower's VIP transport

Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:03 pm

retroaviation wrote:Neat to see the Curtiss Electric props on the B-29, but I didn't know they used that big paddle blade, like on the P-47s.

Gary


Do you think those might be early B-50 or C-97 blades? I really like the little prop hubs they had to improvise.

I noticed the '29 has the cover off the lower forward turret. I wonder if they're planning on some mock-up turrets....

S

Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:46 am

Second Air Force wrote:
retroaviation wrote:Neat to see the Curtiss Electric props on the B-29, but I didn't know they used that big paddle blade, like on the P-47s.

Gary


Do you think those might be early B-50 or C-97 blades? I really like the little prop hubs they had to improvise.

I noticed the '29 has the cover off the lower forward turret. I wonder if they're planning on some mock-up turrets....

S

I did not see any signs of recent activity on the B-29. The time and $$ might be better spent on the A-26.
2 Flat tires, civie paint, and props that look like they are off a AC-119..

Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:46 am

I tend to agree, Bryan. The '29 looks pretty well cared for from a distance. The A-26 would like some attention.

Thanks for the photos!
Scott

Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:22 am

Is that A-26 a Counter Invader or just an On Mark Civil A-26?
If it's a B-26K Counter Invader, those props might be correct. The struts are flat and so are the tires, making the props closer to the ground than they should be. I don't see any wing pylons for stores.
Any info on this Invader?
Jerry

Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:25 am

Maybe I should look before I leap next time!
Here's the poop on this B-26 K Counter Invader!
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/a26regis ... 17640.html
Jerry

Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:51 am

One thing to note, those colors are 100% accurate on the B-26K when the first batch was delivered to the USAF. It was only after acceptance that they were repainted. OnMark believed that the high gloss scheme would be the best for the kind of work the aircraft was meant for. The gloss white underbelly would be harder to see from the ground and the gloss green top would allow it to blend in more from the air. It actually worked, but as the USAF didn't think that "fighting" aircraft should be shiny (and pilots had the misconception that it didn't work), they repainted them in standard colors and then later OnMark delivered them painted in the more "standard" scheme they wore during Vietnam.

Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:31 pm

Nice shots. I stayed at the base overnight during my PCS move from Aberdeen PG to Ft Lewis in 1998. It’s a nice little museum of 1950s markings on their “WW2” aircraft. At that time, they still had that “B-2” mockup from the Honda CRX TV commercial. Looking at their website, it seems they finally got rid of that and got a B-1 in its place. It is good to see a Lancer there but I must admit I was a little bummed to read on Wikipedia that apparently the mockup was scrapped around 2005. I found a neat site showing the ad here: http://www.wfb4.com/HondaStealth.html

Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:28 am

CAPFlyer wrote:One thing to note, those colors are 100% accurate on the B-26K when the first batch was delivered to the USAF. It was only after acceptance that they were repainted. OnMark believed that the high gloss scheme would be the best for the kind of work the aircraft was meant for. The gloss white underbelly would be harder to see from the ground and the gloss green top would allow it to blend in more from the air. It actually worked, but as the USAF didn't think that "fighting" aircraft should be shiny (and pilots had the misconception that it didn't work), they repainted them in standard colors and then later OnMark delivered them painted in the more "standard" scheme they wore during Vietnam.


Thanks for the information. I did not realize the colors were correct. Coincidentally I was reading a book on Invaders last night. It had a chapter on the B-26s operated by Brazil. When they sent them to the states for re-sparring in the 1960s they returned in these same colors, leading some observers to believe the Brazilians had the Invaders brought up to B-26K Specifications.
I’ve seen the K models at Pima and Dayton and realize they used a different propeller than the B/Cs, but the one in South Dakota doesn’t look right. Maybe the flat struts and tires make these look different...
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