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Maj. Sam Hitchcock's 366th FS P-47D after hitting trees while straffing a tiger Tank in central Germany in 1945. I asked him how big a tree it was and he replied "I hit the whole darn forest!" Another new D-40 bites the dust!

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this story is brief, don't know much other than the basics, & don't even know if it's true, but the guy ( now dead for 5 years) a damned good customer of mine who spent major $$$$ at my business related a story. he flew b-25's south pacific area, mostly in anti shipping / ground strafing etc. he was pegged to transport 4 japanese prisoners to another location for interogation for usaaf intelligence, they were enroute to the destination, the prisoners, flying in the bomb bay were near suicidal in attitude, & the pilot with approval from his officer crew agreed to jettison the japanese prisoners over the ocean & turn back as they were in fear for their safety as they felt the flight was in jeopardy. upon 86ing the prisoners & turning back to home & landing, the pilot was facing a court martial, which according to him he lucked out on & got off, but got a thorough ass chewing. when he related the story he didn't laugh or act proud or make a big performance about it. sounded pretty humbled & remorseful, but only god & the pilot know if that's true. bottom line.... they were all mostly kids in those war years, attrocities don't justify that fact, but i cringe at the other unknown stupidity in the name of patriotism. regards, tom

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How about a nice evening in Montréal, where I took the Focke-Wulf up for a qualification night flight?

1.1 hours total tonight, absolutly perfect conditions, aircraft is really in shape this year.

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Good stories guys, and Tom crazy story.

A guy was participating in a ground attack mission in a P-51B. He was hit by Flak at low altitude which damaged his coolant system. His engine froze. He pointed the nose of his plane with guns blazing straight at a locomotive in the face of whithering fire from all the A.A. on the train. He destroyed the locomotive, his plane was complete sieve. He plowed into a farm field, and then got away on foot!


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I sent my father the story about the B-24, a few posts back, and he told me it reminded him a patient of his. He was a B-17 bombardier flying out of Italy. A German flak explosion blew him out of the nose of his aircraft. He doesn't remember opening his chute, but landed safely. The B-17 went down. He and a few of his crewmembers evaded the Germans and eventually returned to Allied lines, to find that the war had ended. His chest x-ray still show pieces of shrapnel lodged in his back.


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Good stories guys:

A neighbor's dad was a B-17 pilot in WW2. His plane was shot down over Germany, as he parachuted down two German soldiers came running up to him. He landed with a sprained or broken ankle. When the two soldiers approached him, he waved, and he asked in German, "would you like a cigarette"? They said, "yes". So he reached into his Jacket and pulled out a pistol, and shot them both. After the war, he still felt bad about it.


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I lived next to a B-17 pilot who told of a flight he was on. The B-17 on his wing took a direct flak hit in the bomb bay and exploded. On his return to the states he saw the bombadier of that B-17 walking through the terminal in NJ. Shocked to see him, he asked how he survived the explosion. The man stated that he and the tail gunner were blown clear from the plane by the concussion while the rest of the crew did not survive.



I have long heard of a B-17 crash landing at its home base after being damaged. When the resue crews arrived they found no one on board. It seems the crew bailed out over the channel when it seemed the plane would not make it back. After bailing out, the plane had just enough lift to keep flying. It ran out of fuel and glided to it's home base. I don't know if this one is true, but it makes a good story if it's not.


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Ran into a interesting fellow today at the gym... (ret) LtCol. John Young. He was a navigator on B-29, B-36 and B-47's. Said he liked the 36's the best. He was with 76th Recon Squadron out of Alaska. Anyone now anyone who was there or have anymore info on them? Said he flew a few runs over the Russian cost and got shot at couple times. When I asked him what rank he retired he said, " When youre a Capt. they just pick their nose and ask if there is anything they can do for you... when your a Maj. they'll actually stand up and ask you... but the first day I got my Lt.Col. they shouted "Attention on deck!" and I looked around for a second before I realized they were talking about me!" :lol:

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I remember a story years ago about a spit that was flying straight and level got bounced by a 109. The 109 only made one pass and boogied for home. One round from the pass penetrated the canopy and struck the pilot in the head killing him instantly. The spit continued to fly straight and level until it ran out of fuel and slowly glided into a forest where it ensnared itself in the tree tops. The aircraft wasn't found until several years after the war.



Now I don't know if it true or not, but was an interesting tale.

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About fifteen years ago when I was flying in northwestern Ontario I had an interesting chat with an old guy one Sunday morning. He was on his way out to a fishing lodge but that morning everybody was tied to the dock waiting for the weather to lift and the fog to burn off, so this gentleman and I sat in the office and drank coffee for a couple of hours.

He had been a B-17 pilot in Europe, and as his tour was coming to an end and the war was winding down he was starting to actually think about getting home in one piece. Then one afternoon this major came around looking for short timers interested in signing up for another tour, and he approached this fellow (Jim Thomas, I believe his name was). He asked him if he was interested and after thinking about it for a minute he said he was - IF he could fly fighters instead, and the deal was done.

His tour ended, he did a week in London he said, and then off to an OTU for a Mustang checkout. (No gunnery training at all, he said!) Then, on his very first mission (Berlin) and as the CO's wingman, they taxied out for takeoff. The weather was just lousy he told me, maybe a half mile of vis and solid overcast. The CO nods his head and off they go down the runway, airborne and into the clag. Flying as a wingman he said all he did was stay glued to the boss's wingtip, but he looked down just for a second to adjust something and when he looked back up...the Mustang was gone! He said he made a RAPID transition to flying instruments and stayed in the climb, chewing himself out for being so stupid as to lose his leader on his very first trip, but also very grateful for the great deal of instrument flying experience that he'd gained in the Fort. He told me that he climbed and climbed and climbed, without a break or a layer or anything, and then finally got on top of the weather at about thirty thousand feet, his Mustang breaking into the sunshine - but ALL ALONE!

What to do! Turn back? Go to Berlin by himself? He said he felt like the world's dumbest excuse for a pilot; "First trip, lost my leader, all alone, not even a real fighter pilot...stupid, stupid..."

There was a Mustang in front of him! And then "pop" up came another one to his left. And there's another over on his right. Then another. There's another one over there!

I guess out of the whole formation, only two guys came up together! Everybody else got seperated just like him. Eventually they all got back in formation, went to the rendezvous, couldn't find the bombers, went to Germany anyway, didn't see anyone over there either and then went home. The bombers apparently cancelled the trip and nobody went flying that day except them - not even the Germans.

He was a real nice guy, and it was a real privilege to hear the story first hand like that. He asked me if I'd ever flown a Mustang (I guess he didn't know what they were worth by then!) When I said "No, but I'd like to" he looked at me and smiled and said "Great machine, fast, agile, long range...but quite likely one of the world's worst instrument airplanes!"

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i am an an avid fisherman, & have made numerous fishing trips that entailed air service up to remote regions in canada etc, part of the trip required setting arrangements to meet bush pilots who operated flying services to fly my beer buddies & me to fishing lodges etc below james bay in pontooned otters & beavers. the flying service, which i will not name publically, for obvious reasons, was rumored to be owned by an ex- luftwaffe pilot who went up to that remote region after ww 2 to escape being labeled as a war criminal etc. i understand that all members of any branch of the ww 2 german military were not all war criminals, or nazis, but there was alot of paranoia on these veteran's part as being labeled as such, & i don't blame them. many of them left germany, settled in remote regions of canada & started flying services under assumed identities or in low profile. rumor?? b.s.?? p.m. the flying service's name, & i'll let you know if were on the same page. or put an old myth to rest. all the best, tom

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Couldn't have been the outfit I worked for - the uniforms weren't near flashy enough! :D


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no uniforms were involved. all ordinary joe's or johann's lookswise :lol: :lol:

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