Re: FHC Fw190-5 paint scheme - DISCUSS
Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:51 pm
Lynn
Can't see your pics-but there are well known shots of (I think Russian front) of 109Fs in the brown -green scheme being polished to a high sheen.
Mark - Super intro to this post-I think the detail has overwhelmed most, hence little response. Your passion for this aircraft is obvious!
Dave
Can't see your pics-but there are well known shots of (I think Russian front) of 109Fs in the brown -green scheme being polished to a high sheen.
Mark - Super intro to this post-I think the detail has overwhelmed most, hence little response. Your passion for this aircraft is obvious!
Dave
Re: FHC Fw190-5 paint scheme - DISCUSS
Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:01 pm
DaveM2 wrote:Lynn
Can't see your pics-but there are well known shots of (I think Russian front) of 109Fs in the brown -green scheme being polished to a high sheen.
Mark - Super intro to this post-I think the detail has overwhelmed most, hence little response. Your passion for this aircraft is obvious!
Dave
Yep, you're thinking of the Stab/JG 54 bird of Werner Pichon Kalau vom Hofe...
Caught in the act!
I'd suggest this was the exception to the rule, but perhaps Trautloft insisted on having all the Geschwaderstab aircraft polished- who knows. It's definitely eye-catching!
Lynn
Re: FHC Fw190-5 paint scheme - DISCUSS
Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:32 pm
Shepsair,
Thank you for the very thorough and well laid out presentation involving the FHC's newest. I learned a great deal about a variety of 'little' things about the airframe and it's finish with out feeling like I'd 'been to school' as some seem to think is the way to teach new things.
I really enjoyed reading about what seems to have been a passion for you, and I can't wait until it arrives here @ KPAE and is out of the high desert light to get a 'real' look @ the colors.
Thank you for the very thorough and well laid out presentation involving the FHC's newest. I learned a great deal about a variety of 'little' things about the airframe and it's finish with out feeling like I'd 'been to school' as some seem to think is the way to teach new things.
I really enjoyed reading about what seems to have been a passion for you, and I can't wait until it arrives here @ KPAE and is out of the high desert light to get a 'real' look @ the colors.
Re: FHC Fw190-5 paint scheme - DISCUSS
Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:02 am
Mark,
Thank you very much for your insights into this project. It goes without saying, but from all of us hard-core warbird fans, your hard work, time and research is much appreciated! It's sad that FHC was willing to spend almost $ 10 Million dollars on this restoration and then be cheap on the last, most visible aspect of it - the paint job. This is a very disturbing trend with a lot of restorations. Owners will go to great lengths to have everything restored exactly to factory specifications when it rolled off the assembly line, only to skimp on the paint job at the end and ruin the whole thing. I'm not saying this project is ruined -far from it! But, from what you wrote, it does not give me confidence that FHC spends as much time on researching the paint schemes as they probably should for a restoration of that caliber.
Mark, so overall, if you had to rate this paint job for accuracy and authenticity, what grade would you give it on a scale of 1 to 10?
Thank you very much for your insights into this project. It goes without saying, but from all of us hard-core warbird fans, your hard work, time and research is much appreciated! It's sad that FHC was willing to spend almost $ 10 Million dollars on this restoration and then be cheap on the last, most visible aspect of it - the paint job. This is a very disturbing trend with a lot of restorations. Owners will go to great lengths to have everything restored exactly to factory specifications when it rolled off the assembly line, only to skimp on the paint job at the end and ruin the whole thing. I'm not saying this project is ruined -far from it! But, from what you wrote, it does not give me confidence that FHC spends as much time on researching the paint schemes as they probably should for a restoration of that caliber.
Mark, so overall, if you had to rate this paint job for accuracy and authenticity, what grade would you give it on a scale of 1 to 10?
Re: FHC Fw190-5 paint scheme - DISCUSS
Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:54 am
Matt, Lynn, Dave etc
Difficult to rate isn't it. How would you rate it of one colour is incorrect or four colours - it is still incorrect.
The blue underside looks fine - two RLM76's and they have used the gray blue version.
The RLM79 tan is also correct. The tailplane where they took a sample still had significant amounts of this colour. It is really the grey green which should be RLM81 and the light green should be RLM82. I do admit there may have been a section of light green overpainting the yellow theatre marking in front of the tail - but not the whole aircraft.
You then get comments that the colour is not important! Imagine if it was a UK company painting Memphis Belle and painting it their interrpretation of Olive Drab and it was a bit lime greeny.
Most of the comments are from people - just saying it looks good. That's fine it does look good but does not mean it is correct. There is only a few of us that know how she looked from seeing/dealing with this Fw190 over the last 20 years or has researched Luftwaffe colours in general.
Few more emails and the like to do. I am going to try and contact Paul Allen's (letter/email) and provide a short synopsis of my thoughts. We will see if this comes to anything.
Have a good weekend.
Mark
Difficult to rate isn't it. How would you rate it of one colour is incorrect or four colours - it is still incorrect.
The blue underside looks fine - two RLM76's and they have used the gray blue version.
The RLM79 tan is also correct. The tailplane where they took a sample still had significant amounts of this colour. It is really the grey green which should be RLM81 and the light green should be RLM82. I do admit there may have been a section of light green overpainting the yellow theatre marking in front of the tail - but not the whole aircraft.
You then get comments that the colour is not important! Imagine if it was a UK company painting Memphis Belle and painting it their interrpretation of Olive Drab and it was a bit lime greeny.
Most of the comments are from people - just saying it looks good. That's fine it does look good but does not mean it is correct. There is only a few of us that know how she looked from seeing/dealing with this Fw190 over the last 20 years or has researched Luftwaffe colours in general.
Few more emails and the like to do. I am going to try and contact Paul Allen's (letter/email) and provide a short synopsis of my thoughts. We will see if this comes to anything.
Have a good weekend.
Mark
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Re: FHC Fw190-5 paint scheme - DISCUSS
Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:36 am
Mark,
Stellar lead in post! I know diddly about Luftwaffe color codes, etc but certainly did gleen enough from your post to believe that something is potentially amiss with the green used on the aircraft. It's dredging up the same feelings as when I saw Dave Price's Hurricane camo scheme several decades ago.
Stellar lead in post! I know diddly about Luftwaffe color codes, etc but certainly did gleen enough from your post to believe that something is potentially amiss with the green used on the aircraft. It's dredging up the same feelings as when I saw Dave Price's Hurricane camo scheme several decades ago.
Re: FHC Fw190-5 paint scheme - DISCUSS
Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:16 am
I'm new to this forum, so I hope I can get help and help other along the way.
I live in Seattle so I get to see the FHC FW190 regularly.
I'm in the process of building an RC FW 190 and I'm half way through painting it to look like the FHC one. I was bothered by the paint scheme which didn't fit what I could find on Russian front airplanes. I put it down to the researchers working for FHC knowing more than I did.
Then I came across this thread which re-opened my questions. There is a comment in the beginning of this thread on a four view drawing of this plane with a better idea of the colors and layout of the camouflage which is thought to be more authentic.
Is this four view available? if so How can I get a copy so I can feel that my RC model is correctly painted?
Thanks in advance,
Ivor
I live in Seattle so I get to see the FHC FW190 regularly.
I'm in the process of building an RC FW 190 and I'm half way through painting it to look like the FHC one. I was bothered by the paint scheme which didn't fit what I could find on Russian front airplanes. I put it down to the researchers working for FHC knowing more than I did.
Then I came across this thread which re-opened my questions. There is a comment in the beginning of this thread on a four view drawing of this plane with a better idea of the colors and layout of the camouflage which is thought to be more authentic.
Is this four view available? if so How can I get a copy so I can feel that my RC model is correctly painted?
Thanks in advance,
Ivor