I have no words...

[the330thbg]

As a parent, I think I would say something if my kid was playing hopscotch at the Vietnam Wall.

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sorry.., got your comment confused with one from 'whistlingdeathcorsair'

[warbird2]

whatever kid.

I am not a kid so I would appreciate it if you would not refer to me as one.

So by your rational, children should be allowed to run around, play and use sidewalk chalk at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier? What about drawing on the Iwo Jima Memorial? Was it just fine when that girl made the news because she had pictures made while washing her feet in the WWII memorial?

It seems to me that decency is being allowed to die off a little faster everyday. Maybe it does not bother you but it does bother me and hopefully most other people with any respect. If I am misunderstanding you, please feel free to explain it.

[Skyraiderdriver]

Thanks for the nasty pm.

There is a lot of bashing goins on in pms.

[spookythecat]

I get so ticked off about my cruddy work getting tagged. This is on such a higher level I can't even comprehend. I have daydreams of catching one of these clowns and having them tied down while I empty a can or 12 on them. Sad thing is if you don't clean it off your building around here you can get fined. And if they happen to catch one of them I think they get a night in jail. The best idea would be to make them go around and clean it so they can see what a nuisance it is.

[muddyboots]

whatever kid.

I am not a kid so I would appreciate it if you would not refer to me as one.

So by your rational, children should be allowed to run around, play and use sidewalk chalk at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier? What about drawing on the Iwo Jima Memorial? Was it just fine when that girl made the news because she had pictures made while washing her feet in the WWII memorial?

It seems to me that decency is being allowed to die off a little faster everyday. Maybe it does not bother you but it does bother me and hopefully most other people with any respect. If I am misunderstanding you, please feel free to explain it.

Kid, I would expect a child to play at the tomb, and have seen children playing at the tomb and not had an issue with it. As for the Iwo Jima Memorial, well, it's a gay hangout, so better a child drawing on the sidewalk beneath it than two gay men having sex beneath it. Which I have seen. I have never heard of a girl washing her feet at the WWII memorial but no, I don't really have a problem with it. It's a memorial, not a gravesite.

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[muddyboots]

a nuisance it is.

A good description. It's a nuisance. Nothing more. To get wrapped up around this is just silliness, when we have American children going hungry at night, and better than 10 percent of our population is without work. We have bigger fish to fry. Do I like it? No. But am I going to lose sleep over it? Not a bit.

[mustangdriver]

Guys, I by no means meant for this to become a nasty thread, just posting what happened to the Grissom Memorial.

[warbird2]

whatever kid.

I am not a kid so I would appreciate it if you would not refer to me as one.

So by your rational, children should be allowed to run around, play and use sidewalk chalk at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier? What about drawing on the Iwo Jima Memorial? Was it just fine when that girl made the news because she had pictures made while washing her feet in the WWII memorial?

It seems to me that decency is being allowed to die off a little faster everyday. Maybe it does not bother you but it does bother me and hopefully most other people with any respect. If I am misunderstanding you, please feel free to explain it.

Kid, I would expect a child to play at the tomb, and have seen children playing at the tomb and not had an issue with it. As for the Iwo Jima Memorial, well, it's a gay hangout, so better a child drawing on the sidewalk beneath it than two gay men having sex beneath it. Which I have seen. I have never heard of a girl washing her feet at the WWII memorial but no, I don't really have a problem with it. It's a memorial, not a gravesite.

I have already asked you once not to call me kid. I am asking one more time.

If you look up pictures of Antonella Barba, you will find the pictures of her in the memorial. I said she was washing her feet, judging by the pictures she was doing more than that. Apparantly she was on American Idol at some point. She is good looking woman, just does not have any class by what I see her doing at the memorial.

[muddyboots]

yeah, she doesn't get it. But she's not a child. We were discussing children were we not? What does a twnety something taking a bath in the memorial pool have to do with kids playing with chalk?

[warbird2]

yeah, she doesn't get it. But she's not a child. We were discussing children were we not? What does a twnety something taking a bath in the memorial pool have to do with kids playing with chalk?

My point was, and still is, disrespect is disrespect. I had no idea how old that girl was, I just remember hearing about it happening.
But that does not matter either way because disrespect starts at an early age and no matter how you market it, the majority of people are going to see anything like this as disprespectful. Swimming in the WWII memorial is just as disrespecful as kicking over headstones at a national cememtery or as disrespectful as painting on someones place of business.

In my mind it is no different than people tresspassing on other people's property for any reason: as was talked about at length in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=40335

Decency is fast going away and people have less and less respect for other people's memories, monuments and personal property as the days go by. Somebody believed they were free to do whatever they wanted to the Gus Grissom memorial because, like the tresspasser in the other thread, they thought the laws did not apply to them.

I am sure the kids that were drawing on the sidewalk with chalk had no idea that it was disrespectful and I am not quite ready to send them to the chair for it. But I am sure they know now. Their parents knew it was disrespectful. If they did not know, then they should have. The girl playing in the WWII memorial knew, or should have. And the people that spray painted the Grissom memorial certainly knew. If any of them cared or not is a different story.

It is not patriotism or anything like that. It is plain old decency. Leave stuff alone that is not yours. Have a little respect for the people the memorials are for.

[muddyboots]

yeah, she doesn't get it. But she's not a child. We were discussing children were we not? What does a twnety something taking a bath in the memorial pool have to do with kids playing with chalk?

My point was, and still is, disrespect is disrespect. I had no idea how old that girl was, I just remember hearing about it happening.
But that does not matter either way because disrespect starts at an early age and no matter how you market it, the majority of people are going to see anything like this as disprespectful. Swimming in the WWII memorial is just as disrespecful as kicking over headstones at a national cememtery or as disrespectful as painting on someones place of business.

In my mind it is no different than people tresspassing on other people's property for any reason: as was talked about at length in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=40335

Decency is fast going away and people have less and less respect for other people's memories, monuments and personal property as the days go by. Somebody believed they were free to do whatever they wanted to the Gus Grissom memorial because, like the tresspasser in the other thread, they thought the laws did not apply to them.

I am sure the kids that were drawing on the sidewalk with chalk had no idea that it was disrespectful and I am not quite ready to send them to the chair for it. But I am sure they know now. Their parents knew it was disrespectful. If they did not know, then they should have. The girl playing in the WWII memorial knew, or should have. And the people that spray painted the Grissom memorial certainly knew. If any of them cared or not is a different story.

It is not patriotism or anything like that. It is plain old decency. Leave stuff alone that is not yours. Have a little respect for the people the memorials are for.

Nice straw man argument. Decency has nothing to do with children playing with chalk and everything to do with adults making choices. There is nothing indecent about a child playing at the memorials. If I were a dead vet as opposed to just a combat vet I would be thrilled to have children playing over my memorial. Far better than some stuffed shirt dumping a lod of flowers there once a year. As for linking to the trespassing thread, I can't believe you would want to drag the memory of your claiming that the proper punishment for tresspassing is death. I'd leave that dog lie

[warbird2]

Nice straw man argument. Decency has nothing to do with children playing with chalk and everything to do with adults making choices. There is nothing indecent about a child playing at the memorials. If I were a dead vet as opposed to just a combat vet I would be thrilled to have children playing over my memorial. Far better than some stuffed shirt dumping a lod of flowers there once a year.

I am not talking about sidewalks in parks and neighborhoods, just so everyone is clear. I am talking about memorials.

Allowing kids to draw all over the sidewalk (often those sidewalks are actually part of the memorial) is not the decent thing to do. It is not proper. It is rude, bad behavior, disrespectful, ill mannered, uncouth, or whatever you want to call it.

I'm pretty new at it but I am technically a combat veteran also. I would be pretty upset if people came out to the memorial for whatever war you choose and let their children run around. They should be taught to respect the other people that are there for reasons other than being a tourist. Not to mention being taught about honoring whoever or whatever the memorial us for. If they do not want to do that there are plenty if other places they can go.

[Aircraft Mech Paul]

Guys, I by no means meant for this to become a nasty thread, just posting what happened to the Grissom Memorial.

Hi Guys,

Unfortunately you are gonna find morons everywhere. Kids, like a lot of us when we were young, didn't pay attention to history class growing up. Therefore, they have no clue as to who the brave men and women who the memorials are put up for. When and if they are caught their punishment should be to have the memorial scrubbed with a tooth brush from top to bottom to remove what damage they did. And THEN they should be "schooled" as to who Gus Grissom was and taught about his life and accomplishments. I know that that this would be a mundane punishment but letting the punishment fit the crime would be the best answer here.

Just my .02 cents worth.

Paul

[mustangdriver]

Actually I really like that in regards to the Grissom Memorial. I wonder if folks would have throught twice had they known who he was.

[muddyboots]

probably not Chris. The kind of people who spraypaint on memorials don't care what they're painting on, as long as it feeds their ego.