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 Post subject: Get The Paint Right!!
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:11 pm 
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The next P-40 I see better have the shark's mouth done right :shock: :wink: :wink:
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P-40E 16th FS 23rd FG flown by 1Lt Bob Mooney KIA 1943
and there better be a pet monkey on it!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:15 pm 
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Jack, this is not a shot at you, but the other topic was locked, so here it is.

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Personally, I am sick and tired of this subject coming up on WIX over and over. Might account for my harsh tone here…..to you that complain, save your money, buy a warbird, learn to fly it, paint it in the scheme you deem historically correct, get involved on a museum board using decision power, whatever. Can we just cease and desist with the complaints about those who have already done it.


Amen. And I really didn't appreciate the cheap shots taken at people, even if in jest, in other threads, in the vein of, "Sorry, we can't post photos because we don't have the owner's permission."

You know that old saw that people used to say to people who were down on themselves without really trying to help themselves up? As in, "Get a job," or "Get a Haircut!" Well, to all the people who have the Testor's paint rack memorized at their hobby shop, I'll say, "Get your hands on a warbird." Or any airplane for that matter. There is SOOOOOOO MUCH more at stake when you are operating one of these treasures that the paint comes nearly last on the list. The parts aren't at Walmart, the skills flying or working on them aren't at the Jiffy-Lube, and there is a peanut gallery out there always willing to tell you, when you are on fire, juggling grenades without pins, running away from the scary monster, in the middle of a firefight, that your socks don't match. What a great way to marginalize yourself in such a big way. Instead of being interested in warbirds, why don't you get involved in the NFL's dress code policy? They are pretty strict and make sure people look right. Must be that the typical NFL fan, who never made a tackle in their life, needs their jerseys to look just right on the TV. Good, while you are there watching your NFL games, we who are really working on warbirds are not paying ANY attention to you. Actually, don't worry, we don't have time to laugh at you because you look or sound silly- we are too busy making sure the birds fly.

I have pretty much dedicated a big share of my life to preserving WWII artifacts and history, educating the public about them, and that is real WORK. As in, you get your hands dirty. Everybody is entitled to their opinions. But I will tell you this, as owner of thousands of WWII artifacts in a collection growing for 30 years- if you don't have the time to really jump in and preserve these objects, I don't have much time for you. I will be polite, speak with you at a show, and be really glad when you leave. And if you persist in marginalizing yourself into the camp of "paint schemes are everything," there you stand, marginalized. And I say that, believe me, actually agreeing with you that paint schemes should be as accurate as possible. I just know that this is a such an expensive, way-down-the-list, small consideration when it comes down to it, that I don't wish to waste anybody's time discussing it. Myself included.

In the movie, "The Last Samurai," Tom Cruise convinced his friend Ken Watanabe to "Make the Emperor hear your voice." Well, they got pretty slaughtered. But it had its effect. I'm not advocating you strapping on the armor and attacking superior technology. But maybe I am? Perhaps you should go volunteer at a flying warbird facility, and make your voice heard as you become more versed in what it actually takes to work one of these incredible machines. Let your fear of actually doing something productive go, pick up a tool or brush under proper supervision, and make one of these things fly.

I guarantee, you won't care about the paint scheme once you have been up 3 hours after your bedtime, sawing out a broken spark plug by hand with a hack saw, one stroke at a time. Or pulled up the bilge, cleaned it, then re-painted it. Or given up your vacation days to change an engine. I guarantee. Just try it, and the memories of the Testor's Paint rack at the hobby shop will be a remote memory...

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:02 pm 
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Major sense of humor failure there, Forgotton Field?


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Well put. Because I worked on F-105s for a bit, I've been involved in conversations of "That's not an accurate paint scheme on that 105" whereupon the requisite photo was pulled out for all to see. My reply was always "That photo is good for thatairplane on that day only". The discussion would generally continue to the paint scheme accuracy of whatever warbird was in sight. I didn't win many friends when I pointed out that my motorcycle wasn't an accurate scheme either, but the same rules applied to warbirds. It's my bike; I'll paint it as I like. Historical accuracy is great if that is what you like, but what if your tastes run otherwise? I'm just glad people keep the airframes flying. I can look past the paint when I'm wiring them......

Oh, that I could be "Mudge the loquacious" :supz: At least I kept my sense of humor...

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Jack, question: Isn't monkey an entree item in China?
Just curious, thx. :shock:
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I think the more pressing issue is whether that P-40 is titty pink.

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vlado wrote:
Jack, question: Isn't monkey an entree item in China?
Just curious, thx. :shock:
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:52 am 
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Jack, question: Isn't monkey an entree item in China?


Vlado, I think everything is an entree item over there ! :D

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If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right....er, except when we get to the well...you know, the outside bit. :wink:

Thanks for the pics as always Jack. Just goes to show there are as many different variations/choices for accurate schemes as you care to take the time to look up. Even for shark mouths.


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Jack, question: Isn't monkey an entree item in China?
Just curious, thx.
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I've had monkey on a stick but it wasn't in China :shock:
Believe it or not I'm sure anyplace in the world you can find something on a stick :shock:
Just be careful what it maybe.....woof-woof, me-ow :? :?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:04 am 
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This doesn't have anything to do with the paint at all.......sorry, just curious!
I've loved warbirds since I was a kid but never learned much as far as what units were located where. So this question may be very "novice".
Is it me or is everyone in that picture of Asian descent, besides the fellow on the wing? Any story or significance to that?
Thanks, and again sorry for the uneducated question


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This is a 16th FS P-40E Warhawk which was attached to the 23rd FG has part of the China Air Task Force which became the 14th Air Force
and was in China for most of WWII.

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Thanks! Figured it was something along those lines! Another rookie question: How much did Chinese, or any other native population or military for that matter, work on or around US military equipment (when stationed in their area) in those days?


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In the CBI the native population helped the military in numberous from early warning nets, rescue networks, airfield construction,
feeding-clothing-housing of personal to what you see here.

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Wow, lots of thick skin guys around :shock:
Don't you understand that if something is shown in public, it will be criticize, you like it or not.

Btw, I don't understand that if something can be set right without costing more money than being set wrong, why simply not set right the darn thing ?
And on the argument "you cannot get it 100% like the real thing" just as a cheap excuse for being able to do anything with it, I prefer the attitude of trying to set the thing as real AS IT IS POSSIBLE.

That means that if I have limited time to make an "aviation" travel in the States, I won't lose time and money to photograph "fun" aircrafts, but I will spend time and money with great pleasure to visit the Paul Allen's collection (my dream : seeing and hearing his 190).


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