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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:23 pm 
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Perhaps many of you (especially our friends down under) are familiar with this rare PBY-5 flying boat on display at Lake Boga but I thought I would pass the info along just the same. The aircraft is on permanent display at the former RAAF seaplane repair base located well inland in NSW (or is it Victoria?) a couple of hundred miles to the NW of Melbourne. The aircraft itself has quite a wartime history going back to Java in 1942. Apparently the wing of a USN PBY was mounted on the the fuselage of a NEIAF PBY (serial Y72) prior to its escape to Australia. The aircraft served with No. 20 Sqdn and was re serialed as A24-30.

Can anyone add any of its further wartime history??

I've attached a google.earth image of the aircraft where it is on display at the former base. Note that the two ramps are still readily in place.

To my knowledge only two other flying boat Catalina's remain: A Boeing PB2B-2 (in Sydney at the Power House Museum) and a PBY-5 at Pensacola. Correct ??

http://oldcmp.net/lake_boga.html

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There is only one original complete PBY-5 Flying Boat surviving in the world, that belongs to the US NASM/Smithonian, but is on display in the USN Aviation Museum at Pensacola, who also have the cutaway PBY fuselage which is also a PBY-5 Flying Boat hull (former RAF aircraft).

All other Catalina's surviving elsewhere in the USA, South America and UK/Europe are amphibians as either PBY-5A, Canadian Canso's(Canadian built PBY-5A) or PBY-6A, as the utility of the Amphibian saw them retained for various post war roles including fire fighting whereas the pure Flying Boats were quickly retired and replaced as land planes replaced the type in all roles.

However there are the following 5 pure "Flying Boats" surviving in Australia/NZ.

"A24-30" PBY-5 Flying Boat Composite at Lake Boga (Victoria)
"A24-46" PBY-5 Flying Boat Composite stored in WA
"A24-88" PBY-5A(M) "Flying Boat" (RAAF wartime field modification) fuselage ANAM Moorabbin (Victoria)
A24-386 PB2B Flying Boat PG Taylor's "Frigate Bird II" Powerhouse Museum Sydney (NSW)
VH-SBV Canso/PBY-5A "Flying Boat" (TAA post war Field modification) RNZAF Museum (NZ)

"A24-30" in the photo above is now under cover in its own museum building onsite, joined by the forward fuselage of a rare ex RAAF / ex NEIAF Dornier DO-24 Flying Boat.

Although presented as A24-30 as a pure PBY-5 Flying Boat, and holding certain components from that airframe (wing centre-section and portion of fuselage I believe?), the Lake Boga Cat is a composite of many parts recovered in the area from numerous Cats scrapped on site at the end of the war, including PBY5A's and PB2Bs.

A second similar composite PBY-5 "A24-46" also survives in Australia - stored in WA, it was sourced from Victoria and used many of surplus parts left over from the Lake Boga project, including the cockpit and tail of A24-46 from where it gains its identity.

There is only one PB2B Flying Boat surviving in the world today, that being PG Taylors VH-ASA "Frigate Bird II" hanging in the Powerhouse Museum in Sydney the former RAAF A24-386.

Two PBY-5A's survive converted back to pure Flying Boat configurations.

A24-88 is one of 46 PBY-5A's received for service by the RAAF, and is one of 29 (more than 1/2 of those received) modified back to pure flying boat configuration by the RAAF in a field modification to increase its payload and range for service as a "Black Cat" and replace older PBY-5 aircraft.

It is the sole surviving combat veteran Black Cat in the world, having served operationally with RAAF 42 Sqn in 1944/45 and participated in the mining of Manila Harbour to support General MacArthurs landings, it is now in the collection of the Australian National Aviation Museum at Moorabbin for eventual restoration in its wartime "Flying Boat" configuration.
(It is however also the only survivor from the 49 PBY-5A's that served with the RAAF)

http://www.aarg.com.au/Catalina.htm


VH-SBV is a former RCAF PBY-5A operated in New Guinea as a post war airliner with TAA, and eventually modified back to pure flying boat configuration as its PNG operations were all water based and the increased payload and range were again important benefits, it is now in the collection of the RNZAF museum, being restored as an RNZAF PBY-5.


The RAAF eventually received 168 Catalinas, consisting of 2 early PBY-4 flying boats transferred from the Dutch East Indies, 66 PBY-5 Flying Boats, 46 PBY-5A Amphibians and 54 PB2B Flying Boats. A total of 29 PBY-5A Amphibians were modified locally at Lake Boga and Rathmines in a 1500 manhour conversion back to pure Flying Boat configuration, to reduce weight by removal of the undercarriage to increase range and payload. These newer PBY-5A (M) aircraft then replaced the older PBY-5 in the famous "Black Cat" squadrons mining enemy harbours and sealanes while the remaining amphibians and flying boats undertook Air Sea rescue and Patrol dutues.

It is therefore fitting that today that RAAF survivors in preservation in Australia include 2x PBY-5 Flying Boats, a PBY-5A(M) Flying Boat and a PB2B Flying Boat representing each of the 3 main models that served in Australia.

Of interest, a very rare ex RAAF/NEIAF PBY-4 Flying Boat (ex A24-28 or -29) also still survives "in part", with its fuselage heavily modified into a houseboat with little more than the hull being retained, and now fitted with side paddles it still ply's the Murray River as "Paddle Cat", and at least 2 other Catalina "houseboats" still survive elsewhere in Australia.

So there are a total of 7 Catalina pure "Flying Boats" in various conditions surviving in the world, with 5 being in the South West Pacific where they nearly outnumber the 6 local amphibian examples of:

"USN" PBY-5A Bull Creek WA
"RAAF" Canso/PBY-5A RAAF Museum (Victoria)
"RAAF" PBY-6A HARS (NSW)
"RAAF" PBY-6A Catalina Memorial (NSW)
"QANTAS" PBY-6A* QANTAS Founders (QLD)
"RNZAF" PBY-5A Flying in NZ (NZ)

These are all imported Amphibian aircraft from overseas painted/displayed to represent locally serving aircraft, the tall tailed PBY-6A's are all representing "Flying Boat" PB2Bs as the amphibious PBY-6A were never operated in Australia.

There is a 7th PBY Amphibian in Australia/NZ if you count the USN PBY-5A amphibian fuselage in NZ imported to support the flying PBY-5A in NZ, and now on static display at Tauranga NZ.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:27 pm 
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Hullo Mark, here is a pic of the Boga Cat in its new home, a credit to all the locals involved.
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the photo was taken August last year when a team of HARS members travelled down to replace the set of blisters loaned to HARS to use as templates in the manufacture of a set for our PB6Y.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:28 am 
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Great to see that the Lake Boga Catalina composite is now indoors. Brilliant!

A few comments. It is not A24-30 although has been painted to represent it. It is a composite airframe built from various parts that may include the RAAF instructional airframe 'D2' (ex-A24-38), the forward section of NEIAF Y-72 and/or Y-76 and at least part of the wing from a US Navy PBY-4. The original A24-30 was surplussed post-war and sold by the Commonwealth Disposals Commission to Kingsford Smith Aviation Services in October 1946. It was reduced to spares.

Turning to Mark's excellent summary, a few notes...

VH-SBV is not "a former RCAF PBY-5A". Although built in Canada, it never served with the RCAF but was a USAAF OA-10A, serial 44-34081.

VH-ASA in the Powerhouse Museum is a PB2B-2 to give it its full designation and to distinguish it from the PB2B-1 model.

One of the houseboats mentioned may be the cruiser Henrietta-Hoh built from the hull of the former US Navy PBY-5A VH-BRI and for many years a well-known sight at Shute Harbour in Queensland in the ownership of Vic O-Hara. Can anyone tell me if it still exists and, if so, where?

The following link will take you to my downloadable list of Catalina Survivers including all of the above Antipodean aircraft. Please note that the entry for VH-EAX needs updating as it arrived in Australia some weeks ago after its enforced sojourn in Thailand.

http://www.catalina.org.uk/survivors-list

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:45 am 
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The Lake Boga Cat building is amazing. Aircon to boot!

The old girl is looking great... :drink3:


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:59 pm 
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Mark:

Thank you so much for your outstanding summary of the PBY Flying Boat population!! Great indeed. When I was in Sydney I did visit the Power House Museum and viewed the PB2B-2 hanging from the ceiling. I was however disappointed that I was not allowed to take photos inside the building! A previous trip to Sydney in 1964 I did make a distant sighting of the PB2B-2 when it was parked at the former Rose Bay seaplane base. It looked a bit sad and forlorn and if I recall correctly it may have been wingless at the time.

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David Legg wrote:
One of the houseboats mentioned may be the cruiser Henrietta-Hoh built from the hull of the former US Navy PBY-5A VH-BRI and for many years a well-known sight at Shute Harbour in Queensland in the ownership of Vic O-Hara. Can anyone tell me if it still exists and, if so, where?


http://www.ruudleeuw.com/search113.htm

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In many reference books and on websites VH-BRI, a PBY-5A Catalina flying boat c/n 1735), is listed as a converted houseboat and located at Shute Harbour,QLD. But the last sighting seemed to date from 1996.So I did not find it surprising that upon my visit it had long gone. When I asked around I was given the telephone number of the former owners, the O'Hara family. When I talked to them on the phone I was told it had been sold and had moved north, to Home Hill/Bowling Green (QLD). By that time I still had no idea what to look for and did not have the time to backtrack up north. So I was glad Terry Magee made this photo available to me."


More pics here
http://www.aussieairliners.org/catalina ... vhbri.html

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:39 pm 
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Thanks CDF - any more recent sightings?

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Looks like 2006 was the last sighting. The area around there was hit hard back in 2010 with a tropical cyclone so perhaps damaged then

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