Full-scale Bf109G-6 replica

DarenC1 · **Joined:** Sun May 07, 2006 8:10 am **Posts:** 235

A few years back, I read in one of the UK aviation magazines that a group in the US had constructed a full-scale Messerschmitt Bf109G-6 replica, out of wood, and with a Ranger engine of some description for power. Another couple of years later, the '109 was almost ready to fly, but during a taxi trial it suffered an accident and had been damaged.

Does anyone know:

A) What I'm talking about; and
B) Anything further on it?

I've seen a few photos of it, and it doesn't look too bad at all.

k5083 · **Posted:** Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:31 pm

I think you mean this one in Brookhaven, NY.

http://soarr.tripod.com/index.html

I last saw it rolled out for an event in 2006, and have seen 2008 photos of it looking about the same -- intact, but with a temporary landing gear and not ready to fly. It was taken off the civil registry (was N10901) around that time.

August

DarenC1 · **Joined:** Sun May 07, 2006 8:10 am **Posts:** 235

That's the one. I had hoped it might have taken flight by now, but I'm guessing there are still things to be ironed out/repaired?

warbird_patrick · **Posted:** Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:38 pm

The aircraft is a Marcel Jurca MJ-90 which was plans build, last I heard it was up for sale ($250K). It has never flown as it is way under powered not following the plans. It is stored in my friends hanger out at Mid Island Air service, Long Island NY.

Patrick

DarenC1 · **Joined:** Sun May 07, 2006 8:10 am **Posts:** 235

I wonder if being under-powered was the reason why the French Spitfire IX replica was eventually re-engined with an Allison engine? As I recall, it was originally fitted with a 690hp Hispano-Suiza.

What kind of power would the '109 replica need if the current engine is under-powered?

yankeepapa · **Joined:** Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:48 am **Posts:** 28

two reasons: hispano suiza reliability, very poor and underpowered. still flying with an Allison engine after an accident with the H S engine.

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DarenC1 · **Joined:** Sun May 07, 2006 8:10 am **Posts:** 235

The French replica looks rather strange with the Allison installed, though:

I'm guessing the firewall for the Hispano installation is still in the same place with the Allison fitted, hence the longer nose.

Compare it to Bob DeFord's aircraft at a similar angle:

John Dupre · **Posted:** Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:14 pm

Thinking about the 109's achille's heel, the landing gear geometry, I wonder if you were building a replica if you could figure out just how to modify it enough to have better qualities on the ground without detracting too much from its looks. I am thinking of some of the WW1 replicas where different construction techniques, and even airfoil designs have made the aircraft more docile and easier to handle in the modern environment.

Dan K · **Posted:** Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:19 am

John Dupre wrote:

Thinking about the 109's achille's heel, the landing gear geometry, I wonder if you were building a replica if you could figure out just how to modify it enough to have better qualities on the ground without detracting too much from its looks. I am thinking of some of the WW1 replicas where different construction techniques, and even airfoil designs have made the aircraft more docile and easier to handle in the modern environment.

Hmm...

For starters:

1) extended tailgear oleo

http://hsfeatures.com/features04/images ... 10fw_1.jpg

2) Avia S-199 axles (positioned wheels perpendicular to ground rather than parallel to the gear)

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-p ... 391540.jpg

3) Scrap the whole idea and build a Heinkel 100 :wink:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/floydstear ... hotostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/floydstear ... hotostream

Dave Homewood · **Posted:** Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:54 am

Correct me if I am wrong but was there an article in Classic Wings a few years ago about a group in the USA that had two full sized wooden Bf109G's, and at least one was shown flying? I maybe be getting confused.

mike furline · **Joined:** Wed May 05, 2004 3:45 pm **Posts:** 2635

Dave Homewood wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong but was there an article in Classic Wings a few years ago about a group in the USA that had two full sized wooden Bf109G's, and at least one was shown flying? I maybe be getting confused.

You may be referring to Bob Miller and the website "Dakota Messerschmitts". Unfortunately the website no longer exists.

I believe the plane flew, and then nothing.

C VEICH · **Joined:** Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:40 pm **Posts:** 1471

mike furline wrote:

Dave Homewood wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong but was there an article in Classic Wings a few years ago about a group in the USA that had two full sized wooden Bf109G's, and at least one was shown flying? I maybe be getting confused.

You may be referring to Bob Miller and the website "Dakota Messerschmitts". Unfortunately the website no longer exists.

I believe the plane flew, and then nothing.

That article appeared in several Challenge publications and I still have it in an old Scale R/C Modeler magazine as well as Air Classics. Last I had heard neither airplane had ever flown. The "in flight" shot that graced the first page of the article was a Photoshop job. Oh, and I'm also pretty certain both airplanes were all composite and not wood construction. I recall that because the two guys responsible for the project were offering to lay up static airframes for museums and what not. I can dig out the article if more details are required.

Dave Homewood · **Posted:** Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:06 pm

Hi Chad, please do if you can, I'd appreciate seeing it. Thanks.

DarenC1 · **Joined:** Sun May 07, 2006 8:10 am **Posts:** 235

I vaguely recall seeing something about those, too. Photos are floating around of the "finished" Messerschmitt replica - it looked rather nice, too.

Dan K · **Posted:** Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:44 pm

Dave Homewood wrote:

Hi Chad, please do if you can, I'd appreciate seeing it. Thanks.

Scroll down here to post #13 for the original "Dakota Messerschmitts" article

http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forum ... 109-a.html

Scroll down for a few more pics from the Bob Miller project plane:

http://avijacija.com/?p=765

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