Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:33 am
Where it is aimed matters not, where it falls matters a lot!aerovin wrote:I don't think this FAA NPRM is aimed at warbirds and if one reads through the documents located at the NPRM site (http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=369870&docketid=14825) it is apparent the FAA is addressing concerns certifying new build production aircraft.
Regardless of the intent, a bureaucrats later interpretation can be broad and sweeping. Just look at how much effort was required to address the demil bill.
Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:54 am
Darn Glen! I guess I let the cat out of the bag on that one! I'll be calling you about a cut down Ham standard for it also.
Mr. Mudge
Again as I read this rule it affects NEWLY certificated aircraft in the standard category. These are basically NEWLY built aircraft from spare/surplus parts which have never been registered because they didnt exist and were not produced by the factory and are now needing certification to fly. Examples of these would be N451D which is a P-51D and the "manufacturer" is NorthAmerican/Baker and N151HR which is also a 51 and the "manufacturer is NorthAmerican/Odegaard. I am not quite sure how the LIMITED category aircraft are affected with these new rules. I am certain that the STANDARD category aircraft are now facing issues as Pete Jones from Air Repair can no longer build "new" birddogs from his extensive spares without TC holder approval. I think he's built like nine birddogs like this in the past few years. Beautiful machines! I hope I've explained my previous post a bit better.
Cheers!
Mike
Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:52 am
I think this happened with the Bell 47 a few decades ago; more flying than were produced by the factory.
Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:31 pm
Question?
Can you still build and regester new from old stock and not have themin the Standard or limited category if you can't get the TC holder's approval?
Would it be in the experimental category?
Kenn
Can you still build and regester new from old stock and not have themin the Standard or limited category if you can't get the TC holder's approval?
Would it be in the experimental category?
Kenn
Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:12 pm
I had the pleasure of reading a book by a local T-33 pilot this weekend. He has tons of hours and has even attended the Test Pilot School at Edwards.
As a jet warbird owner he writes that several years ago at a jet warbird convention a senior FAA official attended to talk with the group.
When this official was asked who came up with the rules and regs the FAA produces he stated (paraphrased) "a bunch of newly minted Yale/Harvard/Wharton grad with JDs/MBAs or MPA degrees who probably have not been on a plane smaller than a 737"
Theres the answer to this madness we live with
Tom P.
As a jet warbird owner he writes that several years ago at a jet warbird convention a senior FAA official attended to talk with the group.
When this official was asked who came up with the rules and regs the FAA produces he stated (paraphrased) "a bunch of newly minted Yale/Harvard/Wharton grad with JDs/MBAs or MPA degrees who probably have not been on a plane smaller than a 737"
Theres the answer to this madness we live with
Tom P.
Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:53 pm
Stoney wrote:What's the number of this?
Document FAA-2003-14825-61
http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm? ... etid=14825
Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:14 pm
I have a bunch of old receipts from Aircraft Spruce for nuts and bolts. Is that sufficient evidence that I started building this new airplane soon enough? How do they know I didn't buy the hardware for that particular airplane?