Another historic resident comes to KPAE

[The Inspector]

Nov. 7 thru 10 th, Historic Flight is celebrating the arrival on their DC-3 after a long restoration from excecutive configuration to pre war Pan American Airlines markings.

[Fight2FlyPhoto]

I was out there to get video of its arrival... Until my darn camera went Tango Uniform. sure looked good, though! Sat out in the cold for two hours! Could see the runway and taxiway lights reflecting off of it and a beautiful blue flame flickering out the exhaust. I'll head over tomorrow, hopefully with better luck.

[The Inspector]

I was out there to get video of its arrival... Until my darn camera went Tango Uniform. sure looked good, though! Sat out in the cold for two hours! Could see the runway and taxiway lights reflecting off of it and a beautiful blue flame flickering out the exhaust. I'll head over tomorrow, hopefully with better luck.

Cool! It's another quandry airframe. It's l/n (4193) turns up in a mixed bag of C-47/C-48's in ABCDLIST but with a 4 digit s/n even tho the FAA site lists 1949 as it's D.O.M. So I'm guessing it was a C-47 that obviously went thru a conversion to DC-3C status but with no other info like military s/n to use as a starting point nor who might have done the conversion and there were a bunch of folks doing box hauler to pax work in the post war time period.
It had a longer radar nose when it went through here heading for mod in Canada so I suspect it was someones corporate baby.

[WallyB]

Cool! It's another quandry airframe. It's l/n (4193) turns up in a mixed bag of C-47/C-48's in ABCDLIST but with a 4 digit s/n even tho the FAA site lists 1949 as it's D.O.M. So I'm guessing it was a C-47 that obviously went thru a conversion to DC-3C status but with no other info like military s/n to use as a starting point nor who might have done the conversion and there were a bunch of folks doing box hauler to pax work in the post war time period.
It had a longer radar nose when it went through here heading for mod in Canada so I suspect it was someones corporate baby.

Multiple sources agree that there never was a msn 4193 and that this airframe is in fact msn 14193.

Not everyone agrees see: http://www.ruudleeuw.com/dc-3_page_2.htm

[The Inspector]

Cool! It's another quandry airframe. It's l/n (4193) turns up in a mixed bag of C-47/C-48's in ABCDLIST but with a 4 digit s/n even tho the FAA site lists 1949 as it's D.O.M. So I'm guessing it was a C-47 that obviously went thru a conversion to DC-3C status but with no other info like military s/n to use as a starting point nor who might have done the conversion and there were a bunch of folks doing box hauler to pax work in the post war time period.
It had a longer radar nose when it went through here heading for mod in Canada so I suspect it was someones corporate baby.

Multiple sources agree that there never was a msn 4193 and that this airframe is in fact msn 14193.

Not everyone agrees see: http://www.ruudleeuw.com/dc-3_page_2.htm

Now it gets interesting, thanks so much for the additional info. it's a C-47B-1-DK 4348377, l/n 25638 then to the Navy as 17263 as an R4D-6. Post war it became N 8350C, N 37800, N 800J, N 89009.

Here's a spanner bunged into the machinery, according to Baughers Navy/Marines lists (crossing from his USAAF lists) 17263 crashed in bad weather near Toledo, OH. on 1/23/49 HMMMMMMMM!

Oh, and l/n 14193 also turns up as an A-20G-20-DO 4286792

[WallyB]

The civilian history of the airframe is pretty much well established and I don't think there's much doubt

N8009

and N877MG are the same airplane.

Which airplane is an entirely different matter. If msn 14193 (aka 25638) was "destroyed" in a 1949 crash then it can't be that. Line number 4193 corresponds to msn 20806 which is a C-47B-1-DL (DL=Long Beach) and msn 14193 is/was a C-47B-1-DK (DK=Oklahoma) so whichever it is the data plate is clearly bogus - neither were built at Santa Monica!

One of life's mysteries.

[The Inspector]

The civilian history of the airframe is pretty much well established and I don't think there's much doubt

N8009

and N877MG are the same airplane.

Which airplane is an entirely different matter. If msn 14193 (aka 25638) was "destroyed" in a 1949 crash then it can't be that. Line number 4193 corresponds to msn 20806 which is a C-47B-1-DL (DL=Long Beach) and msn 14193 is/was a C-47B-1-DK (DK=Oklahoma) so whichever it is the data plate is clearly bogus - neither were built at Santa Monica!

One of life's mysteries.

Then everyone is hosed up, Baugher, ABCDLIST, the FAA, and I used 14193 from your previous post of info. HMMMM-

[WallyB]

Then everyone is hosed up, Baugher, ABCDLIST, the FAA, and I used 14193 from your previous post of info. HMMMM-

The 14193 theory doesn't seem to hold up unless that airplane somehow recovered from it's Toledo "crash". I'm inclined to be in the 20806 camp since there is some evidence that "N8350C" was one of a number of CNAC aircraft repatriated after the revolution by the escort carrier USS Windham Bay CVE-92.

[The Inspector]

Then everyone is hosed up, Baugher, ABCDLIST, the FAA, and I used 14193 from your previous post of info. HMMMM-

The 14193 theory doesn't seem to hold up unless that airplane somehow recovered from it's Toledo "crash". I'm inclined to be in the 20806 camp since there is some evidence that "N8350C" was one of a number of CNAC aircraft repatriated after the revolution by the escort carrier USS Windham Bay CVE-92.

No idea, but I know it doesn't take very long to drill out and reshoot 4 #40 rivets somewhere else 'if you need to', a possible early case of 'data plate' overhaul?