Video of Messerschmitt Me410 engine run

[airnutz]

Or maybe someone will make a brand new one!?

About 10 years ago, I believe one of the New Zealand builders or collectors talked about new build Me 410's but he may have passed on and so did the idea. Alpine or Edelwieiss are ringing a bell? Dave M2?

[DaveM2]

Or maybe someone will make a brand new one!?

About 10 years ago, I believe one of the New Zealand builders or collectors talked about new build Me 410's but he may have passed on and so did the idea. Alpine or Edelwieiss are ringing a bell? Dave M2?

Airnutz, only thing I can recall which might fit is that Alpine Fighter Collection had two Me 110 wrecks stored, with the intention of getting one flying. Both ended up be sold to DTM Berlin and one -the 110F, was restored and is now on display. Wasn't able to view them in NZ, but was able to see the display example being restored in Germany back in 2000.

Nothing 410 related though.

Dave

[JDK]

Another chance for these, then...





The St Athan engineering staff got the various Axis aircraft going - Ki.100, Me 410, Fw 190, and Provost as well. The RAF Museum's Junkers Ju 87 was allegedly got running prior to the Battle of Britain film, NOT at / by St Athan, but I've never seen film or stills of that that I recall.

Given the 410 etc were taken from St Athan and the engineering capability, and given some of the non-standard mods (and cropped prop blades on the 410) that approach is no-longer acceptable in RAFM type circles, and the location and staff are different. Those days are gone for these events with these aircraft.

The Me 410 in the RAF Museum collection isn't likely to be sold to FHC (too rare and representative of a group of types) and if it were, they wouldn't fly it either, given their actions so far with other rare / tricky types.

HTH.

[airnutz]

Thanks Dave. So much information, so little gray matter. Perhaps another case of the facts spoiling a ripping good yarn?

[M.P.]

And the video of St Athans FW 190 engine run:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oaJghobb1M

[DoraNineFan]

And the video of St Athans FW 190 engine run:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oaJghobb1M

Nice puddle of oil at 6:30. I wonder what broke?

[Elwyn]

I noticed the engine both turned the same way. I wonder how many WWll twins had counter rotating props to balance out the torque. Must not have been a major problem and possibly cheaper to only have to produce engines that rotated one direction.

[JDK]

I noticed the engine both turned the same way. I wonder how many WWll twins had counter rotating props to balance out the torque.

Very few, in fact. From memory, and I'm sure there's others, the major production type would be the P-38 (which famously had the directions of rotation (or engines, if you like) swapped after some nasty initial effects). Otherwise the postwar de Havilland Hornet, the 'better Mosquito'.

There's a listing here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-ro ... propellers

Interestingly the list mentions the Hs 129, which used the French Gnome-Rhône 14M, which was already available with both directions of rotations - I'd presume that was because there was an (unnamed) French type with dual rotation setup. The Gnome-Rhône 14M was in DaveM2's recent quiz also.

Regards,

[Elwyn]

Thanks for the link! I read where they had to switch sides with the engines on the F-82 because the original configuration caused some sort of effect that kept it glued to the runway. Didn't the early models of the Lightning, like the ones they tried to sell to the Brits, have engines that rotated the same direction?

[JägerMarty]

THAT 410 video has made my day! thanks so much for posting it!

nice to see the 190 run up too, I wish they'd get the FW190A out of the IWM Lambeth n give that a run

[JDK]

nice to see the 190 run up too, I wish they'd get the FW190A out of the IWM Lambeth n give that a run

I understand the IWM Fw 190 (Mistel unit) is on temporary loan to the RAF Museum, Cosford, which is A Good Thing. I would be very surprised if it could be run without an engine rebuild (not to mention 70 year-old rubber, wiring, and seals) and even more so if it were, given the RAF Museum's views, to which the RAF St Athan technical staff were the sole exception.

Regards,

[Augsburgeagle]

I have written an article about the Daimler Benz 600 series of Aero engines that i'm not entirely sure what to do with however below is a quick excerpt from it giving a basic overview of the DB supercharger drive:

The hydraulic coupling indirectly connects the supercharger rotor to a bevel gear driven by the accessory train of the engine, the amount of slip in the coupling is dependant on the amount of oil supplied to it and so at low oil flow the coupling has high slip and consequently low supercharger rotor RPM and vice versa. The oil flow that controls the slip of the coupling is automatically barometrically controlled by two gear pumps fitted inside a common housing in the accessory case at the rear of the engine (called the metering pump)

[Randy Wilson]

I noticed the engine both turned the same way. I wonder how many WWll twins had counter rotating props to balance out the torque.

Very few, in fact. From memory, and I'm sure there's others, the major production type would be the P-38 (which famously had the directions of rotation (or engines, if you like) swapped after some nasty initial effects). Otherwise the postwar de Havilland Hornet, the 'better Mosquito'.

There's a listing here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-ro ... propellers

Interestingly the list mentions the Hs 129, which used the French Gnome-Rhône 14M, which was already available with both directions of rotations - I'd presume that was because there was an (unnamed) French type with dual rotation setup. The Gnome-Rhône 14M was in DaveM2's recent quiz also.

Regards,

Looking at later French twin-engine types powered by Gnome-Rhone 14N engines, it looks like at least some had inward turning prop/engine combinations. These include (from photos of the props) Amiot 354, LeO 451 and Potez 630.

Randy

[JägerMarty]

nice to see the 190 run up too, I wish they'd get the FW190A out of the IWM Lambeth n give that a run

I understand the IWM Fw 190 (Mistel unit) is on temporary loan to the RAF Museum, Cosford, which is A Good Thing. I would be very surprised if it could be run without an engine rebuild (not to mention 70 year-old rubber, wiring, and seals) and even more so if it were, given the RAF Museum's views, to which the RAF St Athan technical staff were the sole exception.

Regards,

All very true J, I'll have to make a trip to the US to see Paul Allens 190