Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:20 pm
Steve T wrote:Two questions come to mind regarding the Lackland Thunderchiefs: one, is there any chance of persuading the Air Force to allow these aircraft to go into museum collections as Vietnam memorials; two...what is the chance a Thud, whether one of these or a preserved example, could be returned to the air as a flying monument to the airmen who did not come back from Southeast Asia?
I'm going to fire off some e-mails after I get back to work (post New Years) and see if I can find out some information about the airplanes and what the AF's plans are for them in the future.
Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:11 pm
I would vote "No" to defining the Lackland statics as warbirds. To me a warbird is any ex-military aircraft regardless of it's role. Although the Lackland aircraft are certainly vintage, they are not "ex" yet. They are still provide a useful function to the US military and have not yet military possession.
I voted "yes" to adding these airframes to the registry. I think and exception is definitely deserved here. I would image that it wouldn't be long before these airframes would be replaced by another type, the the F-105s would be distributed to museums. We would want to document their history then so we might as well start now.
Mike
I voted "yes" to adding these airframes to the registry. I think and exception is definitely deserved here. I would image that it wouldn't be long before these airframes would be replaced by another type, the the F-105s would be distributed to museums. We would want to document their history then so we might as well start now.
Mike
Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:58 pm
mrhenniger wrote:.
I voted "yes" to adding these airframes to the registry. I think and exception is definitely deserved here. I would image that it wouldn't be long before these airframes would be replaced by another type, the the F-105s would be distributed to museums. We would want to document their history then so we might as well start now.
Mike
This is sort of my feelings on these airframes and why I asked in the poll. Unlike the DM F-4's, these aircraft will most assuredly end up in a museum somewhere, eventually. so while they don't technically qualify as warbirds yet, one day they will.
Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:34 pm
Unfortunately Scott, et al, that these 105s would eventually go to a museum is not a given. Some time ago I read that the NMUSAF decided to scrap the remaining 105s at AMARC. One of those was the Fireball Express. Hopefully the 105B on Celebrity row is untouched as it is probably the only complete 105 left out there.
Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:31 pm
I'd say they are. If only to get them a spot in civilian history on this board. How cool is it that a flight line of Thuds still survive in 2005. I wish I could see them.
Sat Dec 10, 2005 11:50 pm
OK...OK...My bad. Don't know why but I kept thinking F104 and not "Thuds".
I know perfectly well the the 105s served in Nam. Gotta' change my vote. Of course the F-105 is a warbird
(When you get to be my age, your memory is the SECOND** thing to go.)
Mudge the geezer
**What's first? You don't want to know
I know perfectly well the the 105s served in Nam. Gotta' change my vote. Of course the F-105 is a warbird
(When you get to be my age, your memory is the SECOND** thing to go.)
Mudge the geezer
**What's first? You don't want to know
Sat Dec 10, 2005 11:52 pm
I did not speak to anyone about the airplanes when I was there...I just stood outside the fence and took photos. I haven't heard anything about them, so your AMARC connection is the only information I've heard at all. Sounds pretty valid.
I was planning on shooting out some emails in a couple weeks asking about them.
I was planning on shooting out some emails in a couple weeks asking about them.
Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:49 am
Col. Rohr wrote:Mudge wrote:OK...OK...My bad. Don't know why but I kept thinking F104 and not "Thuds".
I know perfectly well the the 105s served in Nam. Gotta' change my vote. Of course the F-105 is a warbird
(When you get to be my age, your memory is the SECOND** thing to go.)
Mudge the geezer
**What's first? You don't want to know
Hey Mudge,
I hate to say this but 104 where also usd in Nam not very long like three or four months but they were there.
Cheers
RER
CAP for the Thuds out of Thailand right?
Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:59 am
Scott WRG Editor wrote:Col. Rohr wrote:Mudge wrote:OK...OK...My bad. Don't know why but I kept thinking F104 and not "Thuds".
I know perfectly well the the 105s served in Nam. Gotta' change my vote. Of course the F-105 is a warbird
(When you get to be my age, your memory is the SECOND** thing to go.)
Mudge the geezer
**What's first? You don't want to know
Hey Mudge,
I hate to say this but 104 where also usd in Nam not very long like three or four months but they were there.
Cheers
RER
CAP for the Thuds out of Thailand right?
The were in the south as CAP for the slow movers, until some O-6 figured that there was no MIG threat. I've seen photos of -104's in southeast Asia camo paint jobs.
Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:52 am
Even the F-102's were there.
Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:37 pm
Well DUHHH....Maybe I'll try another thread for awhile. 
Mudge the hopeless
Mudge the hopeless
Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:28 pm
Don't forget the 101As and the RF-101s ! 
I know that the F-111s got over there too. I was told that they were grounded so much that the crews could only fast taxi them. It was suggested to the ground crews that they paint them yellow. When asked why; they were told that they were being designates as high speed ground equipment. F-111 guys apparently had NO sense of humor !
I know that the F-111s got over there too. I was told that they were grounded so much that the crews could only fast taxi them. It was suggested to the ground crews that they paint them yellow. When asked why; they were told that they were being designates as high speed ground equipment. F-111 guys apparently had NO sense of humor !