me 262's with plexiglass noses
Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:05 am
i went to an aviation auction today, & among the goodies was a wartime pic of a captured me 262 with a plexiglass bombardier nose. i totally forgot about the version after all these years. looks pretty cramped. was this version an experimental prototype?? used operationally?? how many of this type were made?? any survivors?? now that i'm thinking about it, there was also a prototype with a fairly large tank cannon attached, bigger than 40 mm i'm sure. i do know this version never got beyond the experimentation stage. what's the poop on this version?? regards, tom
Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:36 am
Tom
IIRC two of the plexiglass prone bomber types were built for testing, it has been suggested one is still in a lake near Rechlin where it was pushed post war.
Go to www.stormbirds.com for all things 262.
Dave
IIRC two of the plexiglass prone bomber types were built for testing, it has been suggested one is still in a lake near Rechlin where it was pushed post war.
Go to www.stormbirds.com for all things 262.
Dave
Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:59 pm
Where was the auction at?
Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:27 pm
I've always wondered if the "droop snoot" P-38 had any influence on the creation of the plexi-nosed 262's....
Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:37 pm
In looking for the above picture I was reminded of a story about the 20th Fighter Group's "Droop Snoot", Col. Harold Rau, then the Group CO, recalled:
"One of the missions I recall being a little interesting was a mission I flew leading the group on a 'Droop Snoot' attack. We had a bombardier named Herschell Ezell, nicknamed 'Eze', so our 'Droop Snoot' had the name 'Eze Does It' painted on the nose. On this particular day, we were bombing an aerodrome way down near the Loire River. Coming in over the target, just as we released our bombs, we took a direct hit in the left engine of the 'Droop Snoot'; which tore part of the engine completely out of the airplane and parts went tumbling to the ground. The plane went into a spin, completely out of control and I was half stunned by the explosion. 'Eze' sat up in the nose, which was just about impossible to get out of, and very calmly said: 'What are we going to do boss? Are you going to bail out? I hope you don't get out and leave me sitting up here by myself.'
"At that point I was too busy to talk; I was fighting that airplane with everything I had, trying to get it under control. We spun down about 15,000 feet with pieces falling off the airplane all the way. I finally got the thing steadied down, stopped the spin and finally had it flying level on one engine. I looked around and the whole group had gone. At this point we were alone, 300 miles inside enemy airspace, with one good engine and a great gaping hole in the left wing where the other engine had been. Fortunately, we were able to struggle all the way home and I was able to land at Wittering. They patched up the 'Droop Snoot', put a new engine in it, and it wasn't long before it was flying again. It was a harrowing experience for me, but I'm sure it was ten times worse for poor old 'Eze' up there in the nose; not knowing what the heck was happening, what I was going to do, or how he was going to get out of there!"
Personally I don't think you could've convinced me to get in the thing...
"One of the missions I recall being a little interesting was a mission I flew leading the group on a 'Droop Snoot' attack. We had a bombardier named Herschell Ezell, nicknamed 'Eze', so our 'Droop Snoot' had the name 'Eze Does It' painted on the nose. On this particular day, we were bombing an aerodrome way down near the Loire River. Coming in over the target, just as we released our bombs, we took a direct hit in the left engine of the 'Droop Snoot'; which tore part of the engine completely out of the airplane and parts went tumbling to the ground. The plane went into a spin, completely out of control and I was half stunned by the explosion. 'Eze' sat up in the nose, which was just about impossible to get out of, and very calmly said: 'What are we going to do boss? Are you going to bail out? I hope you don't get out and leave me sitting up here by myself.'
"At that point I was too busy to talk; I was fighting that airplane with everything I had, trying to get it under control. We spun down about 15,000 feet with pieces falling off the airplane all the way. I finally got the thing steadied down, stopped the spin and finally had it flying level on one engine. I looked around and the whole group had gone. At this point we were alone, 300 miles inside enemy airspace, with one good engine and a great gaping hole in the left wing where the other engine had been. Fortunately, we were able to struggle all the way home and I was able to land at Wittering. They patched up the 'Droop Snoot', put a new engine in it, and it wasn't long before it was flying again. It was a harrowing experience for me, but I'm sure it was ten times worse for poor old 'Eze' up there in the nose; not knowing what the heck was happening, what I was going to do, or how he was going to get out of there!"
Personally I don't think you could've convinced me to get in the thing...
Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:02 am
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Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:17 am
Martin
Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:12 am
In response to Original Boxcar's post, many of the 20th Fighter Group's P-38's had polished noses to give them the appearance of being "droop snoots", probably one of the most often seen examples of this being "California Cutie".
Excellent pictures, Martin, you never cease to amaze me with your collection!
Excellent pictures, Martin, you never cease to amaze me with your collection!
Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:30 am
You learn something new everyday. Thx Loco!
Found a colored pic:
http://home.introweb.nl/~erics/p-38/original.htm
regards,
t~
Found a colored pic:
http://home.introweb.nl/~erics/p-38/original.htm
regards,
t~