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Mon May 29, 2006 1:46 pm
mennie wrote:I happen to speak a little bit of Dutch.
NNG = Netherlands (Dutch) New Guinea.
Translation of the text in the photo:
Biak, June 4th 1946 until may 28th 1947. At the American dump. A graveyard of war heroes and gone glory.
source Jan Smit
Handy to speak Dutch if your living there
Thanks for the translation , so would NNG now be the Indonesian/east end of NG island ?
Mon May 29, 2006 3:19 pm
Handy to speak Dutch if your living there
Thanks for the translation , so would NNG now be the Indonesian/east end of NG island ?
True.
I think it's an island on the north side of the Indonesian/west end of New Guinea.
The Military Aviation Museum here at Soesterberg (about 20km from my home

) has a B-25 that was in service in Dutch Indonesia.
It was saved from scrapping by our late Prins Bernhard in 1970 and transported to Soesterberg.
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/b25registry/b25-4431258.html
And we have a flying B-25 painted as KNILM/NEIAF N5-149 "Sarinah".
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/registry/b25registry/b25-4429507.html
I was lucky to get an almost 1 and a half hour ride on this B-25 last year.
Mon May 29, 2006 4:10 pm
kr1360 wrote:
I belive that the pic you are thinking about was in a mid 50`s issue of National Geographic. I remember going through old issues when I was in study hall way back when!
The National geographic may have run an article also, but I am ceratin the spread I often looked at back 35 years ago was a large format thinner rag and I'm fairly certain it was LIFE magazine.
Mon May 29, 2006 9:49 pm
L. Thompson wrote:kr1360 wrote:
I belive that the pic you are thinking about was in a mid 50`s issue of National Geographic. I remember going through old issues when I was in study hall way back when!
The National geographic may have run an article also, but I am ceratin the spread I often looked at back 35 years ago was a large format thinner rag and I'm fairly certain it was LIFE magazine.
Might try here LT, a Life mag reference with brief descriptions of issue contents. Interesting titles, such as "Backwash of War" or "Okinawa's Junkheap", 12/19/49.
www.pastpaper.com/List-LifeIndex.htm
Might not find the exact title your looking for, but maybe the memory of a companion
article will jog your memory. Other magazines listed in the reference as well.
The Life stuff seems to be fairly complete, but other titles like National Geo.
Look, and Air Trails are minimal.
Mon May 29, 2006 10:12 pm
Lowell,
The large picture of hundreds of P-38s, A-20s, P-47s, P-61s, etc., abandoned in the jungle on Biak is LIFE, Feb. 9, 1948, page 40.
The picture of some of the more than a thousand B-24s left in the Biak jungle is NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC, March, 1951.
George
Mon May 29, 2006 11:36 pm
George,
Thank you for the reference. That's the one.
I wonder how many years it took for the scrappers to clear it all out.
Imagine if someone like Bill Larkins could have crawled around through that dump with about 200 rolls of film to shoot! They could put out an all new calender every year for 60 years and never repeat the image of the month.
Lowell
Tue May 30, 2006 11:27 am
Cool pics. Keep posting please!
The dump shots are sickening. I see at least 3 P-61s...
Tue May 30, 2006 1:09 pm
Forgot to add the P-40 photo.
Tue May 30, 2006 1:18 pm
Last one, have fun.
Tue May 30, 2006 8:21 pm
Lowell,
Your hypothetical about if Mr. Larkins could have visited Biak after the war is actually what one collector did. I have read that Earl Reinert went to New Guinea in 1952 and looked around what had been the major U.S. airbases and saw all the abandoned planes. Certainly he took pictures, but I have never heard of them surfacing, nor have the original pictures from Voll's 1986 Morotai trip. Hopefully someday we will all get to see in photos what these collectors saw in person.
Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:05 pm
I know this is an oooold thread, but one P-38F (or G or H) seen on Biak Island was "Eager Beaver".

There was a picture of it in an old Aircam book:

Any more infos on its mkgs ?...
Thanks !
Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:11 pm
My father was on Biak with the 41st Infantry Division, 186 Regiment, I Company. It was the worst place he visited during the war, and his worst experience was being straffed by U.S. Navy fighters. They were eventually waved off by an officer on the beach with a flag. I wish he was around to see these photos.
Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:36 pm
I noticed the skull and crossbones on the tail of the B-24 also shows up a few times in the "dump" picture. Is there a story behind that?

Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:15 pm
CoastieJohn,
The markings belong to the 90th BG of the 5th AF that served almost the entire war in the Pacific.
http://www.jollyrogersweb.comThey consisted of four squadrons:
319th "Asterperious"
Blue Tail 320th "Moby Dick"
Red Tail321st "Bomb Away"
Green Tail400th "Black Pirate"
Black TailThe 320th squadron was the only one of the four that carried the famous "Sharks Mouth" that has been modeled over the years in various sizes. Interesting to note, we've documented over 5 or 6 different kinds of shark mouth designs that we're in the squadron.

This aircraft is of my grandfather's, Peter J. Soltis. Flight Engineer and Top Turret Gunner.
I offer on my Red Bubble website all four squadrons.
http://www.redbubble.com/people/warbirdwear/works/8488402-moby-dick-320th-sq-90th-bg-5th-af-emblem-black?c=44088-nose-art-and-emblems
http://www.redbubble.com/people/warbirdwear/works/8507632-asterperious-319th-sq-90th-bg-5th-af-emblem-black?c=44088-nose-art-and-emblems
http://www.redbubble.com/people/warbirdwear/works/8507682-bombs-away-321st-sq-90th-bg-5th-af-emblem-white?c=44088-nose-art-and-emblems
http://www.redbubble.com/people/warbirdwear/works/8488464-black-pirates-400th-sq-90th-bg-5th-af-emblem-white?c=44088-nose-art-and-emblemsAs well as the squadron tail emblem. This is how the tails would have appeared.



http://www.redbubble.com/people/warbirdwear/works/6043797-b-24-jolly-roger-squadron-emblem?c=44088-nose-art-and-emblems
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