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Re: Spitfire and Buchons for sale

Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:31 pm

Fouga23 wrote:Anyone know why he decided to sell them now?


I think this video explains it http://vimeo.com/m/99991680

Re: Spitfire and Buchons for sale

Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:37 pm

That is quite a story! Thanks for posting the link for the video.

Re: Spitfire and Buchons for sale

Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:57 pm

God bless Mr. Edwards. No one should have to lose a son and a brother in their lifetime to accidents. Everyone here blathers on ad nauseum about the Soplata collection. WHat about this guy? A dozen Spitfires, a dozen Mustangs, 1 1/2 dozen Buchons, a PBY, T-6, HU-16 Albatross, a P-38, Corsair, A-26, C-45, Goose,TBM, half dozen Siai Marchetti Sea Gull amphibs and probably 50 more we don't know about or that he financially backed for the CAF. I bet he's saved a 100 warbirds.
Plus he kept them inside a dry hangar in the desert. Oh, don't forget all the fighters have engines and props with them plus a few dozen V-12's as spares. He even has a Daimler Benz or two on a pallet
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Re: Spitfire and Buchons for sale

Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:04 pm

marine air wrote:God bless Mr. Edwards. No one should have to lose a son and a brother in their lifetime to accidents. Everyone here blathers on ad nauseum about the Soplata collection. WHat about this guy? A dozen Spitfires, a dozen Mustangs, 1 1/2 dozen Buchons, a PBY, T-6, HU-16 Albatross, a P-38, Corsair, A-26, C-45, Goose,TBM, half dozen Siai Marchetti Sea Gull amphibs and probably 50 more we don't know about or that he financially backed for the CAF. I bet he's saved a 100 warbirds.
Plus he kept them inside a dry hangar in the desert. Oh, don't forget all the fighters have engines and props with them plus a few dozen V-12's as spares. He even has a Daimler Benz or two on a pallet
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He didn't have a great relationship with the CAF.
There is a stencil or 2 on his A/C that are, ….well, interesting.

Re: Spitfire and Buchons for sale

Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:02 am

After watching that VIMEO video I decide that if I ever grab that Buchon two-seater that'd I'd have it restored mechanically but leave it cosmetically just the way it is. :wink:

Someone says he has a P-38? Does he still have it? What variant?


Chappie

Re: Spitfire and Buchons for sale

Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:11 am

No P-38 in the last decade at least..............................his story of his relationship with the CAF is you got it right......"interesting"!!! It goes way , way back; and hasn't got any better in recent years for good reason. Why do you think he has his "own" airshow the same weekend as Midland?

Re: Spitfire and Buchons for sale

Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:28 am

In the 1980's , he donated his P-38, F4U-4 Corsair, A-26 Invader, and a Buchon to the EAA at Oshkosh. Except for the BUchon(ME-109), the others were flown to the museum in pretty great shape for "free" airplanes.

Re: Spitfire and Buchons for sale

Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:41 pm

Hello,

Didn't Chuck Greenhill's "Geraldine" Mustang come from Connie several years ago (prior to rebuild) and in very stock condition?

Now, for sale as well at:

http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!p51dn5500s/c1bm7

Re: Spitfire and Buchons for sale

Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:43 pm

When I visited with Gary Austin there were a couple wooden boxes with P-38 props in them, looked NOS. and a P-38 Nose Gear Strut laying where you would trip over it walking around.
Duuno if they are still there or how much other bits might be there.

Re: Spitfire and Buchons for sale

Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:36 pm

Kaigun Fan wrote:Hello,

Didn't Chuck Greenhill's "Geraldine" Mustang come from Connie several years ago (prior to rebuild) and in very stock condition?

Now, for sale as well at:

http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!p51dn5500s/c1bm7


I don't believe so, going by this record of ownership: http://warbirdregistry.org/p51registry/p51-4474543.html

Some of the airframes he did own, which went onto become examples like "Happy Jack's Go Buggy", "Miss Marylin II", "February" and "Red Dog XII", were all basically identical to the one now for sale (level of original completeness/no previous restoration), before they were restored.

Re: Spitfire and Buchons for sale

Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:39 pm

Just my two cents here...

Someone mentioned that those were WAY overpriced, which I would tend to agree with. Watching that (very cool) video through, I think you can read between the lines and it all makes sense though. :)

I wish people like that, regardless of whether they're right or wrong, would grow up and put politics behind them. He frankly doesn't come off like a very nice person in that video. He may be a great guy, but the video doesn't show it. And yes, I know I'll be pilloried for saying that.

Can't remember a single nice thing he said about anyone in that video other than about himself or his son, who was apparently God's gift to aviation...no disrespect to the deceased intended.

However, all that said, I hope he sells every one of those for at least what he's asking. He deserves it for sure after being such a good steward of them for so long. I'll be looking forward to hearing about the sale sometime. :spit :spit

Re: Spitfire and Buchons for sale

Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:43 pm

Thanks for the info John.

Re: Spitfire and Buchons for sale

Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:18 pm

Kaigun Fan wrote:Hello,

Didn't Chuck Greenhill's "Geraldine" Mustang come from Connie several years ago (prior to rebuild) and in very stock condition?

Now, for sale as well at:

http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!p51dn5500s/c1bm7


Rajun Cajun did...

I stand corrected, it was another Mustang...
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Re: Spitfire and Buchons for sale

Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:28 pm

Connie's son Tex must've been a pretty good stick. On his 16th birthday he soloed a bunch of airplanes. I don't remember all of them but it was something like SUperCub, Stearman, T-6, Beech 18, TBM, and PBY Catalina, to name a few. NO doubt he was water qualified in the PBY, Mallard, and ALbatross. IF he started flying warbirds at age 14 and passed away at 41 then he had 27 years of flying warbirds in the prime of his youth and health.
The family seemed to have unlimited money, petroleum, and hangar space, and their own airport. They seemed to prefer staying out of the high profile stuff like Reno Air Racing, etc. They are somewhat private, maybe 'Tex" was the best there was.

Re: Spitfire and Buchons for sale

Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:19 am

marine air wrote:God bless Mr. Edwards. No one should have to lose a son and a brother in their lifetime to accidents. Everyone here blathers on ad nauseum about the Soplata collection. WHat about this guy? A dozen Spitfires, a dozen Mustangs, 1 1/2 dozen Buchons, a PBY, T-6, HU-16 Albatross, a P-38, Corsair, A-26, C-45, Goose,TBM, half dozen Siai Marchetti Sea Gull amphibs and probably 50 more we don't know about or that he financially backed for the CAF. I bet he's saved a 100 warbirds.
Plus he kept them inside a dry hangar in the desert. Oh, don't forget all the fighters have engines and props with them plus a few dozen V-12's as spares. He even has a Daimler Benz or two on a pallet.

I believe that there are two PBY's, two HU-16's, and two apparently "airworthy" Grumman Gooses plus stripped out hulks of two more Gooses - for a total of 4 Gooses.

According to my research, the two "airworthy" Gooses are N68157 (ex-British JRF-6B s/n 1138) which is still (or at least "currently") painted in British RN colors, and N7211 (JRF-5 s/n B-24, ex-C-GPIA, and ex-USN Bu. 37771) which has McKinnon mods including retractable wingtip floats, extended fiberglass "radar" nose, and enlarged main cabin "picture" windows.

The two Goose hulks are probably N322 (JRF-5 s/n B-73, ex-USN Bu. 37820) which is reported to have crashed in July 1987 as a result of a plugged fuel vent, and N3282 (JRF-5 s/n 1110, ex-USN Bu. 6440.)

Don't know about any "Siai Marchetti Sea Gull amphibs" but I believe that there are also one or two Piaggio P.136 Royal Gulls plus several Piaggio P.166 Albatross aircraft that are very similar to the P.136 in configuration (inverted Gull wing with pusher props) but which have larger cabins and are just land planes.

All of that was culled from the aforementioned Gary Austin photos which I greedily and shamelessly downloaded when they appeared here...
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