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 Post subject: Then and Now ...
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I've got a bunch of these "Then & Now" examples, but these two came to mind first. I know there's plenty of photos of warbirds from the past to today with different schemes and owners, but I'm more interested in what they looked like during their military service and then as they look today. There's some real interesting 'then & now' stuff I'll post a bit later. My criteria being it needs to be the same airplane though and not a certain wartime scheme and the same scheme today on a different airplane. That's too easy :wink:

Curtiss P-36C Serial No. 38-210

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1939 Cleveland National Air Races

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2015 Planes of Fame airshow

FHC Grumman F6F-5N Hellcat BuNo. 79863

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Grumman F6F-5N Hellcat #16 BuNo. 79863 (FALLWEATRAPAC) NAS Kaneohe late 1940's early 1950's.

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This aircraft was designed to be flown as an unmanned drone for anti-aircraft target practice, but was instead used for training.

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Recent photo of 79863 at the FHC

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Lots of T-6's / SNJ's to post ...

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SNJ-5 Texan Bureau Number 90790 of Fleet Aircraft Service Squadron (FASRON) 117

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From the Planes of Fame website

"Carrying the Bureau Number 90790, this Texan was first accepted by the Navy on October 12, 1944 at Dallas, Texas and immediately flown to San Diego, California. By October 26, 1944, it had been moved to Seattle, Washington and, until November 1956, served with a variety of units including CASU-7, VS-50, USS Yorktown, CASU-7A and FASRON 9. Between December 1946 and February 1947 the aircraft was reconditioned at NAS Pensacola, Florida, and then placed in storage at Glynco, Georgia, until the summer of 1948.

Returned to service in July 1948, the Texan then operated from a number of installations, including: NARTU Anacostia, Washington DC; NAS Pensacola, Florida; Suntley, Florida; Monterey, California; San Diego, California; NAS Miramar, California; and NAS Alameda, California. From January to October 1954, it was at Kwajalein for the atomic bomb tests, and from then until April 1956 it served at NAS Barbers Point, Hawaii.

Struck off charge on January 26, 1956 with a total of 3,311hr on the airframe, the aircraft was placed in custody of FASRON-117 at Barbers Point before eventually winding up at NAS North Island, California in August 1961.

Acquired by Planes of Fame Air Museum in 1961, the Texan was restored to flying condition by Bob Nightingale and Bob Oltersdorf and registered as N3375G. For the next eight or nine years, it averaged only about 10hr flying per year. However, as the pace of the Museum’s flying activities increased and it became necessary to train young pilots to fly the warbirds, the Texan was put to greater use. Furthermore, as the museum became involved in movie productions, the aircraft also became a film star — although it seldom portrayed an SNJ or an AT-6 on the screen.

In 1977, the Texan was modified with a singleseat cockpit and pointed tailcone fairing to resemble a Japanese Zero (the cockpit canopy actually came from the museum’s Mitsubishi A6M5 Zero which was not flyable at that time), for use in the Blacksheep Squadron television series. After use in that series, and in spite of having been returned to its standard two-seat configuration, the aircraft still portrayed Japanese Zero fighters in the 1979 television mini-series Pearl and in one of the episodes of the television mini-series War and remembrance which was filmed in Hawaii in June 1987. Interestingly enough, the same aircraft also played the part of a USN Douglas SBD Dauntless in another episode of War and remembrance which was filmed at Pensacola in August 1987. Apparently, the only time that the Texan played the part of the trainer that it actually is, was in the film Space, made in 1985."

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Is it just me, or is it sad when a plane's paint scheme is well known, but the owner decides to paint it something, "cooler" instead?

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My favorites have always been the recreation shots ....

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Hickory, NC 2002

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Harry Moyer 1943 in China and 2013 in Chino...still flying his Mooney M20 at 93.

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Harry Moyer 1943 in China and 2013 in Chino...still flying his Mooney M20 at 93.

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Is it a trick of the light or is he wearing mismatched shoes in both photos?

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When I met Harry he introduced me to the Zazarac. It was then he showed me the 1943 photo. My first comment was: "Your sock is down". He's been my drinking pal ever since. I'm very lucky to call him a friend.

This is what the P-40 guys drank to celebrate Lieutenant Bars in 1943:

The Zazarac
1/6 Bacardi Rum
1/6 anisette
1/6 gomme syrup
1/3 Canadian Club Whisky (or rye whiskey)
1 dash Angostura Bitters
1 dash orange bitters
3 dashes absinthe
Shake with ice. Strain into cocktail glass. Twist lemon peel on top.

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* A little of topic, but useful information!

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Bud Granley's SNJ-4 Bu 27851 N97TR. SNJ-4 Willows, CA, March 1969

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Looking through my files at some AT-6 / SNJ's, I'm finding a few that are listed in the WIX "Warbird Registry" ... not sure of the current status on a few but I'll post what I find. Maybe someone will come along and bring a few up to date as to where they are today. Who knows? Might be an owner looking for a photo of his/her airplane back in the day. Always kind of cool to find an old photo of someone's airplane.

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An SNJ-4 Texan assigned to the Headquarters Squadron of Fleet Air Wing (FAW) 4 c 1945

WIX Warbird Registry listing:
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/texanreg ... 27160.html

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An SNJ-4 Texan pictured at North American Aviation's Inglewood plant. This is the aircraft assigned to the General Inspector of Naval Aircraft c 1944

WIX Warbird Registry listing:
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/texanreg ... 12956.html

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An SNJ-5 Texan in the post-World War II markings of Naval Air Station (NAS) New York, New York pictured at long Island City, New Jersey.

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http://www.warbirdregistry.org/texanreg ... 51776.html

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Operating with the French in Algeria sometime around 1958.

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Nosing up to the camera plane over Troy, AL in Jan 2015.

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RCAF Harvard in the foreground

WIX Warbird Registry listing:
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/texanreg ... 20448.html

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WIX Warbird Registry listing:
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/texanreg ... 20449.html

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SNJ-5C Texan assigned to the escort carrier Badoeng Strait (CVE 116) in flight 1950

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WIX Warbird Registry listing:
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/texanreg ... 51875.html

And website here:
http://www.flyinghigher.net/northam/N3JC.html

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Mark Allen M wrote:
I've got a bunch of these "Then & Now" examples, but these two came to mind first. I know there's plenty of photos of warbirds from the past to today with different schemes and owners, but I'm more interested in what they looked like during their military service and then as they look today. There's some real interesting 'then & now' stuff I'll post a bit later. My criteria being it needs to be the same airplane though and not a certain wartime scheme and the same scheme today on a different airplane. That's too easy :wink:

Curtiss P-36C Serial No. 38-210

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1939 Cleveland National Air Races

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2015 Planes of Fame airshow


Just for grins.....

In the 1939 pic it has a 3 bladed prop. In the newer pic, from that angle it looks like it has a 2 bladed prop. It's also hard to confirm from the shadow on the ground. Yes?...No???


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