909 crash relax 1987 ths.for date cort CRS

dirtysidedown430 · **Joined:** Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:36 pm **Posts:** 336

https://youtu.be/sTplxUQJDLA
By the way Tom Riley had very little to do with the repairs. You can see the dollar signs in his eyes. It was the people of Beaver County and Co. Airport director Dan Donetala

Pooner · **Posted:** Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:30 pm

Great blast into the past, and thank you for posting.

I might opine that the comments of Thomas might be your interpretation of the matter. There are those of us on the wrench and parts end of the operation that see the situation in somewhat a different perspective... coming from relief that nobody was killed in a mishap but a bit of disappointment of a ship we were kinda familiar with is all pranged up and it's a dollars and sense commitment from insurance company and owner as to whether it will fly again.

And yes, Don and numerous volunteers pitched in to make this happen. And they did a stunning job. CF was appreciative of everyone who stepped forward.

Be mindful of the fact Tom had a lot of blood, sweat and tears in the first incarnation, and what you probably interpreted in his facial expressions was frustration.

Full disclosure... no payroll status with Mr. R. or the then-Florida operation having anything to do with the restoration. There are those old goats who troll this forum who remember that airframe as Tanker 99, or those still who recall her as Yucca Lady. Some of us old farts remember the news of that "Beaver" incident from another perspective entirely differently. That said, I still smile often that she is still with us. In spite of crazy things like nuclear blasts, scrap surplus sales, hard tanker work and a dance down a ravine. Or those early CF years long before Flight Experiences and survival from year to year on walk-in traffic through two airplanes on the road and a director's commitment and vision.

But enough from the old ones in the audience. Some cats have Nine lives and use every one of them to the fullest. That's all I have to say about this B-17.

- Robert in PHX

JohnH · Crash was 8/23/87.

Crash was 8/23/87.

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:11 am

The people of Pittsburgh saved that aircraft. Others said that it should be parted out or scrapped. There were also some bad words written about the work done in Beaver Falls. Then upon inspection the repairs in question were not done in Beaver Falls. An apology was issued but never a retraction to the media outlet. If it wasn't for the little known shop north of Pittsburgh (Air Heritage), she wouldn't be here today.

CoastieJohn · **Joined:** Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:37 pm **Posts:** 1380

Was the wind gust determined to be the main factor in the cause of the mishap?

aerovin · **Posted:** Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:53 am

NTSB brief here:

http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/Results.aspx?queryId=59da929a-df5c-41b3-94be-29c815056ae6

bdk · **Joined:** Sun May 02, 2004 1:16 am **Posts:** 11324

http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviat ... 75f&pgno=2

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DRG AN APCH IN GUSTY WINDS, THE PLT NOTED A RGT X-WIND. HE STATED THAT AFTER TOUCHDOWN, THE ROLL-OUT WAS STABILIZED FOR A SHORT DISTANCE, THEN THE RGT WING BEGAN TO LIFT. HE APPLIED FULL AILERON & RUDDER TO MAINT CONTROL, BUT WAS UNABLE TO STOP ON THE REMAINING RWY. THE ACFT CONTD OFF AN EMBANKMENT AT THE DEP END OF THE RWY & WAS DAMAGED.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

•DISTANCE..MISJUDGED..PILOT IN COMMAND

•GO-AROUND..NOT PERFORMED..PILOT IN COMMAND

Contributing Factors:
•TERRAIN CONDITION..ROUGH/UNEVEN

•WEATHER CONDITION..CROSSWIND

•WEATHER CONDITION..GUSTS

•TERRAIN CONDITION..DOWNHILL

CoastieJohn · **Joined:** Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:37 pm **Posts:** 1380

aerovin wrote:

NTSB brief here:

http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/Results.aspx?queryId=59da929a-df5c-41b3-94be-29c815056ae6

Thanks. For anyone else not familiar with the mishap....

Quote:

*** Note: NTSB investigators may not have traveled in support of this investigation and used data provided by various sources to prepare this aircraft accident report. ***

DRG AN APCH IN GUSTY WINDS, THE PLT NOTED A RGT X-WIND. HE STATED THAT AFTER TOUCHDOWN, THE ROLL-OUT WAS STABILIZED FOR A SHORT DISTANCE, THEN THE RGT WING BEGAN TO LIFT. HE APPLIED FULL AILERON & RUDDER TO MAINT CONTROL, BUT WAS UNABLE TO STOP ON THE REMAINING RWY. THE ACFT CONTD OFF AN EMBANKMENT AT THE DEP END OF THE RWY & WAS DAMAGED.

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