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 Post subject: Prangs galore ...
PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:17 pm 
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P-39 Airacobra & Tiger Moth mishap, 13th Air Force, New Caledonia, 1943


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Another view of the P-39 Airacobra & Tiger Moth mishap, 13th Air Force, New Caledonia, 1943


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Information on the back of the above photo (WRG-00072483)


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American defector Martin James Monti. US troops find P-38 in April 1945

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FG1-D Corsair on it's nose at NAS Atlanta

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P-40 Warhawk nosed over

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Lysander on it's nose, Patricia Bay, B.C., April 3, 1943

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Lysander on it's nose, Patricia Bay, B.C., April 3, 1943

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Hurricane/5386 on it's nose at RCAF Boundary Bay, B.C., January 7, 1943

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Hurricane/5386 on it's nose at RCAF Boundary Bay, B.C., January 7, 1943

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Hurricane/5386 on it's nose at RCAF Boundary Bay, B.C., January 7, 1943

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A-31 Vengeance involved in a landing accident at Biggs Field, July 8, 1943

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P-51D Mustangs (44-63213 & 44-63428) involved in a mishap, Airfield #1, Iwo Jima, 1945

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F6F Hellcat that crashed at NAAS Fallon

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P-47B Thunderbolt/41-5933 of the 351st FS/353rd FG having crashed due to engine failure, Millville, NJ, April 4, 1943.

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P-38H-1-LO Lightning/42-66607 of the 443rd CCTS assigned to San Bernardino AAB. Landing accident at Ontario AAF, CA. November 3, 1943.

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Do-17P 4(F). A.Gr. 14, landing accident March 19th 1940 at Münster-Loddenheide airfield Germany

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FG-1 Corsair on it's back.

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FG-1 Corsair on it's back being recovered.

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FG-1 Corsair on it's back being recovered.

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Douglas SBD-5 Dauntlesses in the Atlantic ASW patrol

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Douglas SBD Dauntless being recovered from the water #1

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Douglas SBD Dauntless being recovered from the water #2

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Douglas SBD Dauntless being recovered from the water #3

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The P-47 crash photo from Millville N.J
is this accident:

430401 P-47B 41-5933 351FS 353FG Millville, NJ CRTEF 5 Emory, Frank N USA NJ Ground Gunnery Range A, NJ

crash caused by engine failure.


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I think this is the first time I've ever seen a picture of a captured P-38 in Luftwaffe markings.

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Thanks for sharing Mark.


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Can anyone ID the P-40 crash, dated 11-07-40? 20th PS
The 20th PS was in the Philippines at the time. Does the photo look like Philippines?


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I did not realize that the USAAF had any Tiger Moths in its inventory. Particularly so in any theater where you would also find Airacobras. Very interesting. I bet the Corsair pilot would have preferred the camera man put down the camera and assist him in getting out of the airplane rather than stopping to take his picture first!


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I'm fascinated by the little details on the F4U-1D at the end of the first photo set... it has the fairings for the inner-wing bomb racks removed (first time I've seen that), and the outermost guns seem to have been removed, leaving only two total (at least that's how it appears with the outer ones faired over and the inner ones seeming to get some work).

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Looks like there was a batch of DHA Tiger Moths built in Australia and assigned to USAAF (s/b USAAC?).
http://www.adf-serials.com.au/2a17c.htm


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Dennis7423 wrote:
I'm fascinated by the little details on the F4U-1D at the end of the first photo set... it has the fairings for the inner-wing bomb racks removed (first time I've seen that), and the outermost guns seem to have been removed, leaving only two total (at least that's how it appears with the outer ones faired over and the inner ones seeming to get some work).

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F4U-1P/FG-1P? Looks like a camera port in the star.

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I think this is the first time I've ever seen a picture of a captured P-38 in Luftwaffe markings.

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Thanks for sharing Mark.

Is it a P-38 or F-5, cameras on the nose (odd one on the tip of the nose), but also at least 1 gun port?

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"...Is it a P-38 or F-5, cameras on the nose (odd one on the tip of the nose), but also at least 1 gun port?..."

Good eye, I missed that the first time around. Being a captured machine, they may have scrounged parts to make one flyable airplane.

I'd heard of USAAF Tiger Moths before, but have never seen a photo of one until now.

Once again, thanks for sharing the photos!


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While the biplane is a Moth, are we sure it's a Tiger Moth? I don't see much, if any, wing sweep? Perhaps a local impressment?

Being New Calidonia, I thought it might have been a local Stampe, but they had four Ailerons.

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PropsRule wrote:
"...Is it a P-38 or F-5, cameras on the nose (odd one on the tip of the nose), but also at least 1 gun port?..."

Good eye, I missed that the first time around. Being a captured machine, they may have scrounged parts to make one flyable airplane.

I'd heard of USAAF Tiger Moths before, but have never seen a photo of one until now.

Once again, thanks for sharing the photos!


F-5E (P-38J-25-LO) T9+MK (3725 [0725], 44-23725)
http://oppositelock.kinja.com/captured- ... -479489908

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1944_1.html
44-23725 rebuilt to F-5E. With 354th Air Services Squadron , kidnapped by pilot from 82nd Oct 13, 1944 and landed at Linate airfield near Mediolan.
Plane captured by Germans and used by KG200 as T9+MK. Recaptured by US troops Schwangau May 1945.

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Great pix, as always. The first thing I thought of as I scrolled through was "Gary's not gonna like this."

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JohnB wrote:
While the biplane is a Moth, are we sure it's a Tiger Moth?.

Most certainly a Tiger Moth.

The wing tip shape, aileron linkage, upper wing slats, and corrugated fuel tank give it away as a de Havilland. Since the fuel tank isn't fabric covered or faired in it's a tandem seat Moth (so not a Fox Moth). You can just see the very front end of the cowl which shows it has an inverted inline engine (cylinders below the crankshaft) which rules out it being a Gipsy Moth, or the less common Cirrus or Genet powered Moths. That just leaves the Moth Major and the Tiger Moth. This is a Tiger Moth because it has the cabane struts that were adopted when they swept the wings for easier ingress and egress for the front seat, evidenced by the diagonal drag brace between them rather than the forward drag brace to the firewall you see on the two seat Moths with straight wings.

Would be nice to see a picture of a USAAF Tiger Moth in better shape.

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