Wreck on Google Earth on Isla Guadalupe

[Dan Jones]

Has anybody got any info on the wreck visible on Google Earth on the Island of Guadalupe? Looks like maybe a Lodestar or something to me. N29 01' 10 W118 16' 41.

[TAdan]

The Wikipedia page refers to a B-25 wreck on the island.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadalupe_Island

A quick google search turned this image up.

Looks like a Lodestar to me.

https://www.google.com/search?q=guadalu ... gGapEbzuXM:

[CoastieJohn]

If you go to Google Earth and go back to 10/10/2005 on the historical timeline, there are two aircraft with one at each end of the runway. The aircraft on the NE end has what looks like the tail separated and laying to the east of it. The B-25???

[Pogmusic]

I found this about the B-25 and the Lockheed.
https://productforums.google.com/forum/ ... 4x0tBRnQ8J

[StangStung]

Reading is fundamental.

The very short article about the island, says the Lodestar is there (confirmed on Google) and the B-25 was removed around 2005.

[CoastieJohn]

Yup.....that is (was) the B-25 in the 2005 sat pic.

Frank_McVey said:
Hi, Marc-Andre, welcome to the GEC.

Obviously the original poster didn't check the coordinates given in his Wiki link to Guadalupe Island!

The B-25 bomber to which he refers actually crashed on take-off and the wreckage lay for many years just at the opposite end of the runway from this wreck. If you go to 29°01′36.10″N 118°16′2.98″W and look at the historical imagery for 2005 (the clock icon on the GE viewer top menubar), you can actually see it. However the wreckage was removed between 2005 and 2006, which is why we can't see it in the latest imagery.

The same wiki link confirms your ID as a Lockheed Lodestar, which overshot the runway at Guadalupe during a landing.

Although it has no bearing on this particular wreck, I enjoyed your link to the other Lodestar wreck in Quebec, Canada. I found an update on that - as of 2010 they'd removed the engines and wings and moved it to Lake Weeks.

The plan is to refurb the wings, fit new engines, give it a major servicing, wait till Lake Weeks freezes, build an ice runway and fly it out! I had a look at Lake Weeks in GE, but couldn't find any trace of the aircraft.

Have you heard anything of their progress?

Cheers,

Frank

[_evan]

Anyone know more in the b-25? I always love hearing about another warbird wreck I didn’t know existed

-Evan

[CoastieJohn]

Anyone know more in the b-25? I always love hearing about another warbird wreck I didn’t know existed

-Evan

This maybe a start from Wiki.

Campo Pista is located at the small airport, near the center of the island (29°01′24.04″N 118°16′21.75″W, elevation:592 m, direction:05/23).[1] Airport Isla Guadalupe (ICAO Code MMGD) has a 1,200-metre-long (3,900 ft) runway. At the end of the runway near threshold 5 is the wreckage of a Lockheed Model 18 Lodestar,[4] which overshot the runway during landing. A North American B-25J-30/32 Mitchell, BMM-3501 (c/n 44-86712), bomber wrecked on the opposite end of the runway, after suffering serious damage in trying to take-off overloaded (29°01′36.10″N 118°16′2.98″W). This B-25 wreckage was removed from the island in late 2005 or early 2006

[_evan]

Intresting. 44-86712 isn’t even listed in the registry yet I am now very hopeful somebody can produce a photograph of it so it can be added

[Chris Brame]

Per Baugher, this was a Mexican Air Force plane, one of three they received in 1945:

(44-)86712 to Mexico in 1945 as BMM-3501
(44-)86717 to Mexico in 1945 as BMM-3502
(44-)86718 to Mexico in 1945 as BMM-3503

I can't get the Google Earth archived images to come up on that location; can anyone else pull up the old image and post it here?

[_evan]

Per Baugher, this was a Mexican Air Force plane, one of three they received in 1945:

(44-)86712 to Mexico in 1945 as BMM-3501
(44-)86717 to Mexico in 1945 as BMM-3502
(44-)86718 to Mexico in 1945 as BMM-3503

I can't get the Google Earth archived images to come up on that location; can anyone else pull up the old image and post it here?

[CoastieJohn]

I did a little looking around. Found the below info on the Lodstar.


http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread. ... 408&page=2

The airplane started it's life as a Lockheed Lodestar, but this one is a Howard Lodestar. Howard modified the nosecone and tail fairings and installed bigger engines. Options were R1820s to R2800's and also a nose wheel version was available, although the one in the picture is a tail dragger. In other words it was a souped up Lockheed Lodestar. This one would probably be of interest to an aircraft restorer, but wouldn't be worth the red tape and mordida involved.

Could possibly speak to these folks that run the reserve there and find out what happened to the B-25.

http://islaguadalupe.conanp.gob.mx/contacto/


Contacto

Tel. (646) 152 12 90 y 120 54 96
islaguadalupe@conanp.gob.mx
Av. del Puerto No. 375, Local 30, Fracc. Playa Ensenada
Ensenada, Baja California, México C.P.22880

[Chris Brame]

Thanks, _evan!