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Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:37 pm
No, I really mean it.
Not my money, not my airplane - the owners can do what they want.
But now its just another blue Corsair like all the rest and it's uniqueness and historical significance has been lost.
Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:17 pm
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... Reno '72 ... pilot, Robert Mitchum ...N194G ...
Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:39 pm
sledge39 wrote:.
... Reno '72 ... pilot, Robert Mitchum ...N194G ...

thank you Mr. D!
Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:43 pm
Lon Moer wrote:No, I really mean it.
Not my money, not my airplane - the owners can do what they want.
But now its just another blue Corsair like all the rest and it's uniqueness and historical significance has been lost.

I retract my statement and apologize to Chad
Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:32 pm
Lon Moer wrote:No, I really mean it.
Not my money, not my airplane - the owners can do what they want.
But now its just another blue Corsair like all the rest and it's uniqueness and historical significance has been lost.

It’s uniqueness and historical significance has been lost? It’s short and poor racing history pales in comparison to its military history. Knowing what I know of the racing modifications, this airplane was heading towards disaster if it had been raced with the last modifications that were done and thankfully never flown with.
The only thing you got right in your statement is that the owner can do what they want.
Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:29 am
Digging the NAS Glenview markings.
Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:53 pm
Sabremech wrote:Lon Moer wrote:No, I really mean it.
Not my money, not my airplane - the owners can do what they want.
But now its just another blue Corsair like all the rest and it's uniqueness and historical significance has been lost.

It’s uniqueness and historical significance has been lost? It’s short and poor racing history pales in comparison to its military history. Knowing what I know of the racing modifications, this airplane was heading towards disaster if it had been raced with the last modifications that were done and thankfully never flown with.
The only thing you got right in your statement is that the owner can do what they want.
Lon Moer wrote:Oh yay, another civilian warbird air racer turned into a blue Corsair.

Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:56 pm
Is this the airplane Scott Dennison was working on?
Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:50 pm
Without arguing about how much racing history actually constitutes historical significance, I'm with Lon on this one. Bob Mitchem is a part of racing history, both with his FG-1D and Harvard. Sad to see it emerge as "just another FG-1D". To me seeing it as #94 in Bob Axtell's hangar in Denver in 92 will always be worth more than seeing it fly in its new guise in the future. And I normally prefer airplanes that fly!
T J
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:34 pm
Kyleb wrote:Is this the airplane Scott Dennison was working on?
Yes indeed.
Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:53 pm
Kyleb wrote:Is this the airplane Scott Dennison was working on?
Yes it is. I really enjoyed following his work on reconstructing the extremely complex leading edge fairings, including the structure and skins, of the oil cooler intakes on the wing center section, as well as the interior inlets and the exit doors. The main restoration is being done by Tab Air.
Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:00 pm
Lon Moer wrote:Sabremech wrote:Lon Moer wrote:No, I really mean it.
Not my money, not my airplane - the owners can do what they want.
But now its just another blue Corsair like all the rest and it's uniqueness and historical significance has been lost.

It’s uniqueness and historical significance has been lost? It’s short and poor racing history pales in comparison to its military history. Knowing what I know of the racing modifications, this airplane was heading towards disaster if it had been raced with the last modifications that were done and thankfully never flown with.
The only thing you got right in your statement is that the owner can do what they want.
Lon Moer wrote:Oh yay, another civilian warbird air racer turned into a blue Corsair.

Yes, another Blue Corsair. Thats where its real history is and its value.
T J Johansen wrote:Without arguing about how much racing history actually constitutes historical significance, I'm with Lon on this one. Bob Mitchem is a part of racing history, both with his FG-1D and Harvard. Sad to see it emerge as "just another FG-1D". To me seeing it as #94 in Bob Axtell's hangar in Denver in 92 will always be worth more than seeing it fly in its new guise in the future. And I normally prefer airplanes that fly!
T J
It has very little racing history and would not have been much of regular flyer with its racing modifications. Not practical in any way to fly it regularly the way it was modified. Thankfully this airplane did not race with the big wing cut as in this photo like when we received it as it definitely would have been a smoking hole because of the ailerons.
Thankfully it will be a regular flyer versus sitting in a hangar. How often do you see any of the real historic Reno race aircraft flying? Not often and their value some day in the not too distant future will be in their original configuration versus the race configuration.
Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:49 am
I seem to recall a member of WIX who is kinda knowledgeable about racing history saying on a different thread that some of N194G's current mods were done post- Mitchem's ownership. Which means that the plane could have been brought back to the 1971-72 guise and been safe. And the jury is still out on how much racing constitutes historical significance. But things like that are naturally not interesting in todays warbird world.
I do note that you mention value in your posts, which is one of the sadder effects. These days historic airplanes are basically investments, and not planes being operated in the same manner as before. I'm actually very happy that NEAM has got the old Anson Johnson #45 (even if it isn't flying). If it had been in private ownership it would likely have been re- made into a stock D and repainted in a 8th AF paint job, because as you say, that's where the value lies. And value seems to be what matters most.
T J
Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:24 pm
Very good point T.J.
These machines get restored to concours standard.
They fly to a few prestigious events, so they can be given accolades, which doesn't hurt to increase value.
Then they get put away like fine art.
It ends up being a way to store money.
Andy
I do like the markings chosen by this restoration BTW
Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:32 am
I highly doubt this one will be a hangar queen. WHF are flown regularly at events throughout the Midwest.
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