NMUSAF Bristol Beaufighter now on display

[DaveM2]

They have full documentary coverage , along with photographic evidence as to the identity and scheme that the 262 wore, passed to them by a researcher..so hopefully 'one day'

Dave

[PhantomAce08]

The paint job issue has always been a hot bed of comments

Don't even get some people started on the ME 262 paint scheme.

What is the 262 supposed to look like

[DaveM2]

Yellow 5 with red/black checkered band.

[PhantomAce08]

Yellow 5 with red/black checkered band.

So more like this.... (yes, I know "yellow 5")



Instead of this.... (I always kind of thought that it looked a little dull--it seemed too grey or something.)

[lmritger]

They made a pudding of their G-10 as well... originally "black 2" with II./JG 52 when captured at Neubiberg, the then-director of the NMUSAF decided to have 610824 painted in a JG 300 scheme as it was "representative of those aircraft which flew against USAAF forces". And they couldn't even get THAT right, on top of which Evergreen Aviation disposed of the original fuselage skins, rather than saving them and trying to figure out the various schemes worn prior to capture... this is why we will likely never know the wartime identity of 610937, the G-10/U4 at McMinnville, OR.

I'll stop now... glad the Beau is on display, it looks pretty cool, but it would look cool in it's original markings as well.

Lynn

[Mudge]

Yo Helldivers...All due respect my man BUT, your posts would be WAAAYYY
easier to read if a couple of the basic rules of writing were followed.
F'rinstance...
A space after the end of a sentence and the start of the next one.
A space after a comma.

Mudge the bluury eyed

[airnutz]

Yo Helldivers...All due respect my man BUT, your posts would be WAAAYYY
easier to read if a couple of the basic rules of writing were followed.
F'rinstance...
A space after the end of a sentence and the start of the next one.
A space after a comma.

Mudge the bluury eyed

Mudge, this IS an example of Helldivers making it easier..he usually types in CAPS!
Sort of a Tom D. Friedman style in this case...

[Mudge]

OK..I'll just skip over 'em.

Mudge the bleary eyed

(this IS the "crack of dawn" for me. )

[HELLDIVERS]

Sorry boys I must have skipped typing class in favor of sheet metal shop and welding. I thought about sending my messages to Rob R.and let him post them for me . (sorry Rob just kidding) Mudge can you spell bi- focal? I knew you could. maybe a space betwwen each letter would help. I would hate for you to read between the lines. Thanks for your imput, Ive been working on my typing skills hopefully most others can figure it out. Loosen up your pantyhose take off the beer googles and blue skys await you. Thanks Mike

[Jerry O'Neill]

Evergreen Aviation disposed of the original fuselage skins, rather than saving them and trying to figure out the various schemes worn prior to capture... this is why we will likely never know the wartime identity of 610937, the G-10/U4 at McMinnville, OR.

Lynn

Did they actually "dispose", as in junk, the original panels or were they sold off, traded or given away?
I find it hard to believe any museum in this day and age would junk or scrap original aircraft panels when there are people and collectors out there who would pay significant dollars to have an original piece of an BF-109, even if it was damaged or corroded. Even "Glacier Girl" sold off unusable pieces of the airframe to help raise money for the restoration.
Tell me it ain't so, Joe!
Jerry

[lmritger]

Hi Jerry-

As incomprehensible as it seems, I know for a fact they're gone... Derek Brown, who runs Buffies Best modeling products, documented almost the entire restoration process from start to finish at Fort Collins, CO, and he gave me a couple bits off of the original aircraft; a couple of cowling hinge pieces, and a length of hydraulic line. The skins were actually taken away for recycling, Derek witnessed it.

If you've ever had the chance to see the aircraft up close, and know a bit about 109s, you can tell they didn't give the slightest thought to originality, from discarding the skins to repainting the interiors in some godawful light blue color, to reconfiguring the cockpits with homemade switch panels on the starboard wall, to using the wrong colors for all the system piping and wiring... GRRRRR!!!!

Lynn

[RMAllnutt]

It is pretty common practise for aircraft restorers to discard of the original material which is non-airworthy. It usually gets recycled for whatever the price of aircraft grade aluminium gets. Very sad practise, but the restorers usually don't have space to store it, and they are operating as a business after all... at least that's what some have told me. Personally I feel it does a great deal of disservice to preserving history, because I am sure there are many static projects that could probably use the parts, even if only as patterns... not to mention the many among us who'd probably enjoy having a piece of an original, historic airframe. I'm with you Lynn... what they did to the 109's in Oregon was tantamount to a crime. Oh well... not much we can do to ameliorate the practise.

R.

[Mudge]

Mike...Sorry to disappoint, but I'm having a hard time reading your last message until I find my glasses . I don't wear pantyhose...SUPP-HOSE, yes but not those full length things. They're what you'd call "unkind" to the male apparatus.

Mudge the sissy

[Shay]

Just curious, but what evidence is there that the NMUSAF's ME 262 is indeed "Yellow 5"?

Shay
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Last edited by Shay on Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.

[DaveM2]

Evidence is in the hands of the Museum put together over a long period by one of the Stormbird group researchers ( the same guys who discovered the identity of the Paul Allen machine), using many of the original documents and also studies of the camo patterns etc.

Dave