Mon Sep 27, 2004 11:03 pm
EXACTLY!!!
One thing is to speculate, and to state it openly, something completely different is, to attribute cause to something we don't know yet, because the NTSB doesn't usually report on the causes of accidents at such an early stage in their investigation.
Tulio
One thing is to speculate, and to state it openly, something completely different is, to attribute cause to something we don't know yet, because the NTSB doesn't usually report on the causes of accidents at such an early stage in their investigation.
Tulio
Bushmaster Crash
Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:39 am
Sorry to hear and later to see (on video) the crash.... nothing that anyone wants to see, especially those of us who participate as pilots, crewmembers, etc..... But, my question to Marine Air out of Tn, whats your beef with the CAF? The Bushmaster was not a CAF airplane, and in recent memory what CAF fighter or bomber has been lost to fuel starvation? Several other collections have had this problem occur, so why are they not included? This may open a can of worms on this one, but what's up with the attitude... Alan Brooks
Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:55 am
bdk wrote:So Bud wasn't flying Cindy?
Pilots were: Jay Yoshinaga and Anthony Albanese
There are some still shots at http://www.nbc4.tv/news/3761017/detail.html along with an article.
Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:23 am
Probably because of the constant speed prop... As long as there is oil pressure, sufficient airspeed, and the prop isn't feathered (not sure this aircraft even had feathering props or if a feathering attempt was made), RPM should be maintained as the prop goes to the low pitch stops assuming the prop control setting remains unchanged. Unfortunately, driving the engine with the prop adds lots of drag at the wrong time. Some props go into low pitch with the loss of oil pressure too (Hydromatic for one).JohnH wrote:What's funny is you would think if the left engine failed you could see the prop slowing down, but on the video this isn't evident.
Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:43 am
I video of a/c that the prop looks like it never moves because is it timed in a such a way with the video sampling speed. I would not trust the video (i also don't have a sound card at work to listen to it).
Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:20 pm
here's a link to the latest info
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... california
looks like, at some point recently, the plane had been sold (if this article is accurate)
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... california
looks like, at some point recently, the plane had been sold (if this article is accurate)
Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:50 pm
That's excellent news... I hope the other pilot's condition soon improves also.
Bushmaster 2000
Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:14 pm
Hi everybody,
First let me apologize to the families of the pilots for speculating on the cause of the recent accident. I was not there. There are a myriad of possibilities.
Second, I like the CAF and apologize to those folks too. It would have been better to say "the warbird/ antique/specialty aircraft movement. The CAF had nothing to do with the Bushmaster accident. The CAF is a great organization and I was just frustrated at seeing a couple of guys who like old airplanes just like us , injured. Heck , the Bushmaster was built in the 1970's and can be replaced.
THe FAA/ NTSB is very good at finding out what happened and they are the experts.
Upon further thought, it could be many things like, aircraft refueled with JET A instead of AVGAS, or bird strike somewhere critical (control cables run on the outside of fuselage) , structural failure, or a gust lock not removed on one of the control surfaces. Since the aircraft had been for sale for a while it may have sat for a long time. Fuel in the lines could have turned to varnish, or wasps could have clogged the fuel vents, any number of possibilities. Everyone please think of the families.
First let me apologize to the families of the pilots for speculating on the cause of the recent accident. I was not there. There are a myriad of possibilities.
Second, I like the CAF and apologize to those folks too. It would have been better to say "the warbird/ antique/specialty aircraft movement. The CAF had nothing to do with the Bushmaster accident. The CAF is a great organization and I was just frustrated at seeing a couple of guys who like old airplanes just like us , injured. Heck , the Bushmaster was built in the 1970's and can be replaced.
THe FAA/ NTSB is very good at finding out what happened and they are the experts.
Upon further thought, it could be many things like, aircraft refueled with JET A instead of AVGAS, or bird strike somewhere critical (control cables run on the outside of fuselage) , structural failure, or a gust lock not removed on one of the control surfaces. Since the aircraft had been for sale for a while it may have sat for a long time. Fuel in the lines could have turned to varnish, or wasps could have clogged the fuel vents, any number of possibilities. Everyone please think of the families.
Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:16 pm
Not on this plane.(control cables run on the outside of fuselage)
As I mentioned before, this plane was a regular flyer, and this was a picture I took of it in late June at the EAA Golden West Fly-In at Yuba City
Bushmaster
Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:58 pm
Hello everyone.... to Marine Air.... thanks, for the apology... Prayers to the pilots and families.... Alan
Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:35 pm
Sad indeed,
I remember when this airplane 1st arrived at Long Beach airport where I was towing banners. They even towed a banner with it, but they quit for reasons I won't go into.
On another note, in the video did anyone else hear the lady off camera say, "Let's get our money back" just a few seconds after impact? I couldn't believe it.
Glad to hear everyone survived.
I remember when this airplane 1st arrived at Long Beach airport where I was towing banners. They even towed a banner with it, but they quit for reasons I won't go into.
On another note, in the video did anyone else hear the lady off camera say, "Let's get our money back" just a few seconds after impact? I couldn't believe it.
Glad to hear everyone survived.
Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:29 am
A friend suggested perhaps the tail control surfaces were locked.
John
John