Is Flypast Down Again?

[Robbo]

Damien, when a topic starter calls people who don't agree with his opinion "cretins" (as in his earlier Iraq thread) it's time to stand up and say that's not acceptable. The comments in the more recent thread related back to those events and others since.

I've got no problem with sensitive subjects being discussed, and our understanding of these subjects can be expanded by doing so, as long as people are civil. I see a fundamental conflict of interest when someone repeatedly selects such subjects to further an agenda of yank-bashing, abuses those with contrary opinions in the process and incites people to fall foul of an overly oppressive regulation regime that they, themselves have implemented but don't appear to be subject to.

Rob

[DamienB]

If a moderator is slinging personal abuse, then report the post - and email the webmaster. Responding in kind or objecting to the creation of discussions that end up in that abuse clearly doesn't work.

[Robbo]

Damien, I did it all at the time and nothing happened besides the thread going downhill and the slagging getting worse. I didn't even get the couresy of a reply, but that's no surpise really, because few people get responses to their questions.

[PeterA]

Altogether now:-

"We're riding along on the crest of a wave and the sun is in the sky, all our eyes on the distant horizon look out for passers by.

We'll do the hailing while...etc"

Its a funny old world. It seems but an instant ago that two of the parties on this thread were 'hammer and tongs' on a WIX/FF spat that required a light dusting from an 'historic' moderator.

What are your objectives here gentlemen?

Do you want to fix the problem on FF, and there clearly is one, or do you just want to slag it off, spectate, and hope it degrades?

PeterA

[Robbo]

Peter, let's see a little courtesy (adequate responses to legitimate questions) and change. Then, perhaps there'll be some light at the end of a tunnel. When the moderator in question crows that he's giving his mate a bottle of brandy for maligning me on the forum does he expect my respect?

I'm waiting for a suitable conclusion, involving myself in sorting out a problem has just allowed the root of the problem (with a great deal of abusive interference) to make things appear personal, thus clouding the issue of his own behaviour. Whilst discussiongrad exists do you expect there to be any life there?

Rob

Apologies Scott, but this sort of post tends to have a short shelf-life on Key.

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[O.P.]

I got hammered by that Moderator on many occasions. Besides being called a baby killer, Nazi, ect..he deleted posts and entire threads of mine, and Steve P's, all for questioning the tactic of contentious posts by the moderator, then the ensuing flamefest, by the same moderator. I've tried to not post there for awhile. All of my posts there recently seem to revolve around that issue, and I don't need it, and the FP buds don't need it from me. They seem to like the guy. Thats cool. They can have him. But when they wonder about the lack of viewpoints, posters, and blahblah blahblah...whatever....they can go back to that issue.


And the Clique, of course

[st170dw]

I have been lurking here for a long time and this thread is the first I have felt moved enough to reply to.

For me, a non-active and moderately knowledgeable enthusiast, the FP forums and the WIX forums offer similar strengths either side of the pond. One of those is that people (genuinely) in the know offer information to both forums.

I enjoy the gentle ribbing (oops my English upbringing is showing!) of members outside the UK. It is obvious to me that some do not take to this but I avoid the general discussion area where this can mean things can get very heated.

Mr Steve Patterson has visited England and the Antipodes and displayed a great sense of humour and restraint regarding the reports of such visits.

There is a bias to UK aircraft on FP because it is a UK site and sponsored by a UK periodical. I also detect a bias towards US aircraft on WIX but the important thing to me is a cross pollenation of ideas and attituded between the two. Both sites would be poorer without this.

In short I find the forums the nearest to an interesting soap opera there is. There is also the benefit of actually learning something - who needs Eastenders and Friends (I am not a total anorak I mean the programme!).

[Andy in Beds]

Altogether now:-

"We're riding along on the crest of a wave and the sun is in the sky, all our eyes on the distant horizon look out for passers by.

We'll do the hailing while...etc"

Its a funny old world. It seems but an instant ago that two of the parties on this thread were 'hammer and tongs' on a WIX/FF spat that required a light dusting from an 'historic' moderator.

What are your objectives here gentlemen?

Do you want to fix the problem on FF, and there clearly is one, or do you just want to slag it off, spectate, and hope it degrades?

PeterA

Hi Peter
as I've already said, 'the moderator in question' and his machinations don't bother me very much.
However, he like a number of others on FP these days seems to think displays of ignorance are the way forward.
An example of this was your very good (no I'm not a crawler) thread about preserved aircraft in India recently--the only comment that he seemed willing to make was about Dulux and some other snide comments about the state of preservation.
Of course, we know that all aircraft preserved in the UK are in spotless 100%--fly-a-way condition. So why the need to comment--racial snobbery no doubt.

I happen to know that you've worked quite hard to attract a wider audience to the FP historic forum but with some of the sh*tty comments about peoples efforts there in recent times and the seemingly endless I'm an expert blah, blah--I know that many are put off.

The last and final straw for me was the thread about Bob Chinnery's lovely Yak 11 restoration.
Some Tw*t goes on the thread and says 'why is there a large knurled knob sticking out of the instrument panel? Looks like a health and safety issue to me'
How about because the nice people at Yakovlev put it there!!--Write and ask them.
It was at that point that I asked myself had I the patience to read through this anymore and the answer was no.

Some personal issues cloud this too though.
I've no wish to discuss those here.
PM me if you want a chat anytime.
Cheers
Andy
PS. Sorry again Scott for bringing this onto your forum.

[HarvardIV]

Mr. Petterson wrote:

As the webmaster at Flypast put it, "attacks on moderators will not be tolerated". Unfortunately when you have moderators creating very heated threads on unpopular topics there is no way not to attack them when you don't agree with their viewpoint. So basically what you have is a board that gives "carte blanc" to the moderators to do or say anything while anyone who opposes them is deleted or banned. Definately not a level playing field.

Wow, that sounds like a challenge, fun! Where do I sign up?

[HarvardIV]

Hi:

You all might be reading into it. Keep in mind that the Brits have a different sense of humor than we do over here. A lot of what you are perceiving as attacks may simply English humor. I'll try out the forum, and see what happens.

[srpatterson]

Hi:

You all might be reading into it. Keep in mind that the Brits have a different sense of humor than we do over here. A lot of what you are perceiving as attacks may simply English humor. I'll try out the forum, and see what happens.

You may be correct...I've been trying to explain English humor to Andy in Beds, Robbo, Manonthefence etc. for some time now, but they just don't seem to get it.

Silly gits.

[Hatton]

Steve, Andy. Sorry you've felt you had to go. The general discussion area was one I never frequented but having read some of the posts and having got the general idea of whats been happening, I sympathise a lot more with your decision to leave than I intially did. Hopefully, when the forum gets its act together, then you may return?

Best regards to you both, and any other flypast exiles,

Steve

[DamienB]

The last and final straw for me was the thread about Bob Chinnery's lovely Yak 11 restoration.
Some Tw*t goes on the thread and says 'why is there a large knurled knob sticking out of the instrument panel? Looks like a health and safety issue to me'
How about because the nice people at Yakovlev put it there!!--Write and ask them.
It was at that point that I asked myself had I the patience to read through this anymore and the answer was no.

Sounds like you do indeed need to chill out mate, and come back later!

Though I've seen the same knob on other Yak-11s, the rest of the cockpit doesn't look very much like the people at Yakovlev put it there (English dials!), and it was a fair question as to what the knob did (I'd like to know too!). The H&S remark had a smiley next to it, but was a valid question too - if the knob is in that position most of the time, it'd make a hell of a mess of your bonce in a crash.

It wasn't an 'armchair expert' post, it was a simple question using a bit of humour to mask a reasonable concern about such a big bit of metal sticking out. Hardly reason for upset or distress...

[Manonthefence]

Andy

Ref the Indian thread, I think you may be being a bit too sensitive there old chap.
We all kow that there are a few inventive restorations in India. These all appear to be painted in the same way. I have to admit my first thought was that the paint looked funny but knowing the background a bit and seeing that they are under cover, didnt feel the need to post. In any case its a great collection.

As someone (Peter A?) said in the very next post, they managed to achieve something that we have totally failed to do, preserve a Wapiti. Good on them!

As for the Yak, well I too read that as humour.

As for Flypast, well I am staying. I'm not going to let the likes of Flood and that idiot webbie take that away from me.
Quite franky its a problem of our own making. He craves attention and "we" gave it too him, the more we ignore him the more he will be wound up by it. Eventually he will go away.

Steve, if you are worried by the anti Americanism there, you should see some other aviation related BB's (PPRuNe and the like - and thats supposed to be for professionals.). I think you need to take most of this on Flypast with a pinch of salt and rise above it.

See you all here soon.

[Dave Homewood]

FlyPast appears to be unaccessable again tonight. Anyone else having trouble?