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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:43 pm 
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Sorry for the delayed thread here, but I've been kind of busy and haven't had time to post the pictures of my trip to Eric Downing's place to work on his Skyraider, until now.

Eric has a couple of mechanics who work on his airplane, but one is about to move to California and the other is still trying to pick up some of the little tricks of the trade that help with little maintenance items here and there. Since Eric couldn't find anyone with real knowledge about these ol' airplanes, he hired me to come in and wing it. :wink: Oh, and so that nobody wigs out about me not working on the B-24 last weekend, I promised Eric I'd help with this way before I started the work on Ol' 927, so I needed to keep my word with him and he had been plenty patient while waiting on me.

My primary objective was to get as much done as I could (in three days time), while at the same time, getting his newbie mechanic (Dave Ceglinski) a little more confident with working on this beast.

The two main things Eric wanted me to do was to get as much done as I could with resealing the pushrod tubes on the engine and to give the airframe a quick "once over" to point out any problem areas for Dave to learn about. Dave and Butch (the mechanic that's moving away) had already gotten started on the airplane when I got there. Here's how it looked when I walked in the door...

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Dave had already removed all of the exhaust stacks, and he and I removed all of the intake tubes. After that, I wanted to get that prop and nosebowl off the airplane, so that we could gain access to the front cylinder pushrod tubes. It was kind of funny, because Dave was as nervous as a double jointed hooker on dollar day about taking that prop off. Frankly, it's my opinion that there isn't an easier constant speed propeller for a mechanic to work with than the AeroProducts prop. I don't think Dave was convinced until we actually started the removal process. It couldn't be simpler, and it goes as follows.....

Step one...Stand in front of prop, admire it, and say outloud, "That's just sooooo cool."........

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Step two...remove snap ring from cover.........

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Step three...remove cover and try to identify the smashed bugs.......

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Step four...remove locking pin......

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Step five...disconnect prop regulator linkage.......

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Step six...place ladder under bottom, right prop blade (as viewed from pilot's seat). Make sure you place a rag (or some other form of padding) between the blade and the ladder, and use the placement of the ladder shown. It will help you in the removal process......

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Step seven...get prop tool and insert it into the grooves on the retaining nut. Then place a long bar through the tool, have an old skinny guy, and a newbie mechanic with a little more mass lean on the end of the bar, while "persuading" the other end of the bar with a 2 pound sledge hammer to loosen the nut. Once the nut is broken loose, just keep turning it until it's backed off completely....

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Step eight...Place straps on two upper blades and hook up with forklift. Then simply back the forklift up and the prop is off. No drips, no runs, no errors. It just couldn't be any easier.....

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Now, once the nosebowl of the cowling was removed (just a few bolts and removed by hand), we slid the prop back on so that we could use it to rotate the engine. When doing the pushrod tube seals & gaskets, you have to get each cylinder on top dead center, so having the prop back in place is quite helpful.....

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You know, I'm getting pretty tired all of a sudden (only been here 14.5 hours so far), so I think I'm going to just stop this update here for now. If y'all show any interest, I'll happily continue with this in the next day or so. I did take some step by step photos of the resealing process of the pushrod tubes, if you'd like to see that.

Anyway, that's it for now.

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Does reading this thread count toward my A+P?


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Does reading this thread count toward my A+P?


No, but if you pass a test, Eric may hire you. :lol:


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Gary,
Thank you VERY much for making this post and including the pics!

Being a HUGE Skyraider fan, it was almost like being there.

Just wish I lived closer to Missouri!

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Hey, I bet even I could remove a prop myself. Awesome! :lol:


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That floor is photo-shopped, with a Skyraider and a '6, there's no way that place wouldn't be a pool of oil :wink:

Cool stuff Gary!

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Gary,
Thanks for the interesting step-by-step. The pictures really help understand what you're doing. Far better than a cut and dried manual.
Please do give us the rest of what you've got at your earliest convenience.

Mudge the educable :D

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Thanks much, Gary. Only the Marauder and Mauler are ahead of the AD on my list of favorites. Appreciate you taking the time to do this for all of us.


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Ah, the ole' pushrod tubes and rocker box oil leak hunt. The two main areas that we always chased on the R-2600 that the Yellow Rose has.
Thanks Gary for the skinny on prop removel 101...

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One thing I did forget to mention is that we also removed all of the rocker box covers (also known as valve covers). The Navalized versions of the R-3350-26WD have a manifold drain system to assist in draining oil from the lower cylinders (The Navy had Wright install them so that the carrier decks wouldn't be quite so oily...or so I'm told). It's kind of a cantakerous little item to remove and install, but it does wonders for how clean the engine runs. On the 3350 installations that are on most of the Sea Furies out there, that manifold drain system has been modified to include a scavenge tank and electric pump, which pumps the oil from the lower cylinders, back up into the oil tank (when the engine is not running). You won't believe how clean you can get these ol' "dirty-three-filthys" to run. :wink:


So anyway, back to the pushrod tube resealing job. Normally, I would just go around the engine in the numerical order of the cylinders (1,2,3, etc.), and some folks go around in it's firing order (1,12,5, and so on). It's just a matter of personal technique really. On this particular job, I chose to start with all of the front cylinders in hopes that we could get the front end finished up before I had to leave. (At the time, Dave was still nervous about reinstalling the prop without me there.)

I started with #18 cylinder (it just happened to be on the side of the airplane I was working on), but forgot to take pictures. So, here is how it goes while working on #16 cylinder.....

First, you look at what you've just gotten yourself into and say a few "choice words" about how you know your hands are going to feel at the end of the day. Notice that we had already removed all of the hold down nuts and washers for the lifter body housings (the studs sticking up with no hardware on them...a little tough to see due to the camera not focusing on what I wanted. :x ).......

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Okay, so the real first step is to insure that you have the cylinder on top dead center (the intake and exhaust valves should be closed). I'm sure there are several different sequences you can do the next few steps in, but here's how I attack it....

Remove all safety wire and loosen the lower pushrod tube gland nuts, but just break them loose. You really don't want to see more than one thread showing beneath the nut. You need this assembly to be as compact as possible for the removal in a later step....

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Then you pull the lifter housing (with gland nut still attached) up the pushrod tube. It'll only go so far, but should clear the studs. If not, then you've got the gland nut too loose. Sometimes you need to use a little screwdriver or similar as leverage to help slide the housings up.....

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Then you can loosen (all the way) the upper pushrod tube gland nut....

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Once that's done, you need to loosen the pinch bolt securing the rocker arm adjustment screw, followed by backing the adjustment screw off as far as it will go (a modern day dzus tool fits the adjustment screw perfectly).....

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Now comes the tricky part where a little technique is required. The lifter is of the "hydraulic-roller" type, and although we won't be removing the lifter all the way, the guts will be coming out of it. Unlike on most cars, the lifters on this engine have no retaining springs for the guts. The pushrod does all of the retaining. Sooooo, what you need to do to remove the pushrod is to pick up on the rocker arm with your fingers and hold it (there will be a slight amount of spring tension)....

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Then you place your screwdriver (or other smooth, flat surface) on top of the lifter to hold it down (compressing the spring).....

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You should then have adequate clearance to slide the pushrod (and pushrod tube) off to the side for now.......

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Then remove the lifter cup and spring from the lifter (on the lower cylinders, this step is taken care of automatically :wink: ).....

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It's important to get the first pushrod tube loose and set it to the outboard side of it's lifter to start with, in order to make room for the removal of the other pushrod tube. I've yet to figure a way out how to do one at a time. Once both pushrods and tubes are loose, you can remove them from the engine.....

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This is how the assembly should look after removed, followed by the order of how the seals are stacked once you remove the lifter housing from the tube......

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Then after cleaning the parts up and polishing the ends of the pushrod tubes (they sometimes become out of round due to over tightening), you lubricate the new seals with Dow Corning #4 (DC-4), and install them on the tubes, followed by the housing.....

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The suckiest, most hand-torturing part of this job has to be the removal of the old lifter housing gaskets that are inevitibly left on the engine. It took me 45 minutes just to scrape the two gaskets off for this one cylinder. Fortunately, the part the gasket was stuck to was steel, so even though you must be careful not to gouge the metal, it's not as crucial as an aluminum part would be. Once you have the part(s) nice and clean, you put a thin coating of EZ-Turn (the old Fuel Lube replacement) on the gaskets and slide them into place.....

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Make sure you put the right pushrod back in the right pushrod tube. I always mark the pushrods when they come out of the engine......

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Then reinstall the lifter spring and cup, and hold them down with the screwdriver so that the pushrod can go back in place. (Notice in the first and third pictures here, how I had already installed the other pushrod tube and set it aside. Otherwise it won't go back in place if you've already installed one tube).....

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Once both pushrods are in place, slide the housings onto their studs. Install new hardware and torque as required.......

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Then you to to the UPPER gland nut and tighten it first. It torques to 400 inch pounds........

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Then you tighten the lower gland nuts (forgot to take a picture of this step). These torque to 230 inch pounds.

Safety wiring the gland nuts is next. I know most of you already know how to do safety wire, but I thought I'd go ahead and show this process step by step as well, since these gland nuts can tend to be a bit tricky. The first step is to make a nice little hook on the end of the wire. (Sorry if the pictures are poor. It's kind of tough to get these little cameras to focus on what you want sometimes).....

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Then you manuever the safety wire through the proper hole in the gland nut.......

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Pull the two halves of wire to together and determine the right length needed to make the twist with the safety wire pliers.......

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Once the twist is made, then make another little hook in the end of the wire so that you can put it through the other gland nut.......

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Pull the wire through and give it it's final twist.......

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Cut the excess off and make a nice pig-tail. (These pictures really don't do this justice, but I'm sure y'all get the idea.).........

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Oh, and do the same for the upper gland nuts as well.......

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The last step for now is to screw the rocker arm adjustment screw down to where you have just a small amount of clearance (.015"-.020" is fine). You want the valves to still operate when rotating the engine when working on the other cylinders, but you don't want them so tight that you get anything in a bind. Oh, and FYI...the valve clearance on this engine is .010", which will be adjusted when after all of the pushrod tubes are done..........

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So there you have it...one pair of pushrod tube seals & gaskets replaced. Only 34 more and you've completed the job. :shock:

I've got to get some work done on the B-24 right now, but I still have enough pictures for one more installment of the Skyraider adventure later.

Gary


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Gary, after following your threads here, & the B-24 posts, I can tell you that what you have shared with us, step by step, task by task, is a better presentation than some of the schools Ive been to. Can you please send me a training certificate for my training file. :D Thanks for your posts.
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Robbie Stuart wrote:
Can you please send me a training certificate for my training file. :D Thanks for your posts.
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The problem is that I'd need a step by step, task by task set of directions for me to figure out how to make you that certificate. :lol:

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Gary...WAAAYYY COOL. Thanks. :D

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I could write about how impressed we are wtih seeing all that Gary is doing; however everybody else is already saying all those nice things. And I have the inside story on ANOTHER PROP; where the result was not as desired. Unless I receive a suitable inducement soon, say a new set of Merin cams, I will, on this very site, reveal the story of the OTHER PROP.

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Outstanding presentation, Gary! Thanks for taking the time to post that.

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Make sure you put the right pushrod back in the right pushrod tube. I always mark the pushrods when they come out of the engine......

Why is that important? I’ve helped some guys do this on stuff like 985s and 1340s, but I don’t recall this being critical. It’s been a few years, though.

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