A place where restoration project-type threads can go to avoid falling off the main page in the WIX hangar. Feel free to start threads on Restoration projects and/or warbird maintenance here. Named in memoriam for Gary Austin, a good friend of the site and known as RetroAviation here. He will be sorely missed.
Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:43 pm
retroaviation wrote:I'm not really a good spokesperson for the CAF in those cases. Gary
Hmmm,
Somehow the guy that wrote the busiest post in WIX history is not really a good Spokesperson for the CAF!
Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:30 pm
OK think of the opportunities to shoot film not bullets from that new tail position. Could be a means of fundraising opportunities??
Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:36 pm
peter wrote:OK think of the opportunities to shoot film not bullets from that new tail position. Could be a means of fundraising opportunities??
I was just thinking the same thing. Make a chair to sit in so Paul Bowen could do his magic or me
Lynn
Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:34 pm
Gary,
i finally have the promised clecos packeged up and will send them this week. While scrounging around the garage I also found a butt load of 3/16th. draw clecos as well. Can you use some of these? I don't think there is much need for them, but I also found some 1/4in. draw clecos as well. Letme know wht oyu think.
RICK
Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:35 pm
Good lord what a terrible speller I am.
Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:39 pm
It looks like it would be much more comfortable than a B-25 to shoot from...only it'll cost twice as much in fuel!
I'll be happy to volunteer to test Ol' 927's photo position out!
Jerry
Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:45 am
b17engineer, we can use any size cleco that you send us. We appreciate it very much.
To everyone else...now don't y'all think I've already thought about the air to air potential in this airplane already?

The insurance company allows us to carry 8 passengers (or picture hungry photogs) at one time, and we'll not only have the tail gunner's section, but the waist gunner's door (unfortunately only on the right side this year), and the tunnel gun position available. Think of the cool shots one could get from the tunnel gun, looking straight down on another airplane.
Yep, we're pretty excited about it.......IF I can ever get it finished.
Gary
Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:30 am
Looking at the tail gunners doors makes me wonder, what are you going to use to break the wind when AM927 is lunbering along at 200 kts and you want to either open or secure them open.
Do not see a wind deflector, from what I am seeing this position is going to be drafty as well
Dave G
A&E / IA
Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:39 am
davegnz wrote:Looking at the tail gunners doors makes me wonder, what are you going to use to break the wind when AM927 is lunbering along at 200 kts and you want to either open or secure them open.
Do not see a wind deflector, from what I am seeing this position is going to be drafty as well
Dave G
A&E / IA
Good questions indeed. By looking at the pictures and sorry drawings that I have, there are no wind deflectors whatsoever. However, it's just going to be a 50/50 chance on whether the wind will be too bad or not. I know that when turned around backwards in the rear seat of a T-6, with the tail gunner's hood opened, the wind isn't bad at all. However, if you get your hands, headset, camera, etc. out into the slipstream, hang on! I suspect that this setup will be the same. Stay in the airplane and you'll be fine.
We'll just have to see what it's like when the time comes.
Gary
Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:28 am
Congrats Gary on your door. I know it was hard to drill out all those rivets and pull that skin!
Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:05 am
I know that when turned around backwards in the rear seat of a T-6, with the tail gunner's hood opened, the wind isn't bad at all
Gary
Is that with or without the rear glass down. I have been up in a T6 where you cold spin the seat around but you couldn't take the rear glass down (a la Dauntless) and the wind came past the canopy got caught in the rear glass and was pushed straight back at me. Not as bad as being out in the open but it did take some getting used to.
Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:37 am
the collings b-24 has open gunners positionson the sides and its not too bad there. just dont stick your head out to far. let common sense be your guide!. same with the radio room hatch in the b-17. as long as your not out trying to crawl up to the tailplane everyone should be fine. any concerns about buffeting noises ??, although i guess its too soon to tell. great job gary!!! i have thouroughly enjoyed each and every posting on this subject!

while ive got you here, is there any progress being made on the re-configuration of the engines of the b-29? happy trails......!! sim.
Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:22 pm
Manonthefence wrote:I know that when turned around backwards in the rear seat of a T-6, with the tail gunner's hood opened, the wind isn't bad at all
Gary
Is that with or without the rear glass down. I have been up in a T6 where you cold spin the seat around but you couldn't take the rear glass down (a la Dauntless) and the wind came past the canopy got caught in the rear glass and was pushed straight back at me. Not as bad as being out in the open but it did take some getting used to.
With the last canopy section retracted, it’s not a problem.
A T-6 set up like that is a great camera platform!
Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:24 pm
Manonthefence.....Yep, that's with the whole enchilada on the T-6 slid forward. The first T-6 that I built and did all of this backwards sittin' in had the tail gunner's canopy set up where when you slid the main aft canopy forward, the back portion of the canopy went with it. And like I said, the wind wasn't bad at all IF you kept yourself inside.
groundpounder.......unfortunately, we still haven't received the big donation that was pledged to us for FIFI's engines. We have started raising money from other donors, but not enough to start on anything yet. But frankly, that's probably for a whole other thread on the forum.
Gary
Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:02 pm
Thanks guys. Whatever the set up, T6 flying is fun.
Sorry for that, back on topic.
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