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What is the post WWII, 4 seat, O435 powered version of the Storch? I know they were called Icarus, or something like that, but am looking for the proper designation, manufacturer, etc.

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try Brigadier ?

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Oscar, it was really nice talking to you. Wishing you the best in your restorarion process!

You're right, and my memory was jogged just now, the Brigadyr has to be the one!


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Tulio

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Thanks for all the info. There was one of those for sale here recently, if I recall 75K, it had a "fake" Afrika Corps paint scheme. I think there are still some in Cuba. I believe I might have a Czeck article comparing it to the Storch. Another somewhat Storch inspired aircraft was the post war Dornier DO 27, I know Gerhard Fieseler did some friendly consulting on it, I have an original photo of him on the prototype DO27. We discussed on the phone Portuguese AF aircraft, the DO27 were/are? aplenty over there.
Saw them frequently on beach "patrol".

Gracias!

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Found two more, supposedly inspired by the Storch design, but not produced due to the high cost involved:

YO-1 (manufacturer not mentioned)
Prestwick (Scottish aviation)

These two look very similar to the Storch, with high wing, similar landing gear / struts configuration, both with radial engines though.

Saludos,


Tulio

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Hi Tulio,
I'm interested by your reference to a 'Prestwick'. Scottish Aviation did build the Pioneer, which was a very sucessful STOL plane (bigger and beefier for the next job up to the Storch) in it's day. Is that what you are referring to? They also doubled it to make the Twin Pioneer (Twin Pin to its friends) which was a big STOL bird. Web search for pics and data...

Contemporary to the Storch 'on the other side' was the the Westland Lysander, again a bigger beast, but with a much more sophisticated flap, slat and all moving tail arrangement. Turned out the Army Co-op job was a deathtrap environment, but for other tasks (ASR, spy pick up) it was a winner. It's notiable that the US and British ended up using L3 and L4s and Austers (British Taylorcraft) for the job - a step down again in size from the Storch, and as good in the army obs role.

Cheers!

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Tulio, did you mean the Ryan YO-51 ? It was a STOL machine.

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Air Classics, Vol. 3, Issue 4 March of something something, since I cannot find the year anywhere. The article is titled "Growth of a Grasshopper" (The History of Army Aviation, Pt. I, by Bob O'Hara.

Correct, a Ryan:

Page 7: There are two photos of the Ryan Dragonfly. One photo captions "O-51" while the other states "YO-51." The caption states that the airplane was the most advanced "O" ship ever designed in the USA, borrowing many features found in the German Storch, but the YO-51 was too expensive to build and never saw service with combat units. Power was a P&W R-985-21, top speed 130mph and exceptional STOL performance; only three examples were built.

Page 73, photo and caption:

"In the 1950s, the Test Board flew the Prestwick Pioneer army cooperation plane. Although the ship performed well, the unit cost was very high and the "Buy American" pressure was on.

My "Complete" Encyclopedia of World Aircraft shows nothing on the YO-51, but it does show an entry for the Scottish Aviation Prestwick Pioneer...

Saludos,


Tulio

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Why take the best part of life out of your life, when you can have life with the best part of your life in your life?

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Will the previous owner has pics of this double cabin sample

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OK,
Got some clarification. The Scotish Aviation company built an aircraft initially known as the 'Prestwick Pioneer', later (in service, mainly RAF) just the 'Pioneer'. I'd guess the change was because SA were based at Prestwick airport, and thus the name was liable for confusion. An excellent aircraft.

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