Warbird Information Exchange

Let's hope the 109 will be going to a good home where she is fully restored either static or flyable (last option please).

Cees

considering the fact that the pilot of this plane still is a MIA-case, i.e. that there is no known grave and it is unclear whether he was buried with the aircraft or taken away and buried as unknown soldier, therefore leading to the possibility that his remains were found and deliberately lost again during the excavation of the aircraft parts......, I am not very happy with this aircraft now being up for sale as possible rebuild project.

I'd rather see his case solved in first place.

just my 2 cents

Martin

Isn't this the ex-Swiblo Lake 109?

If so there wasn't a pilot in the cockpit, the aircraft sank through the ice. The pilot probably made his escape but never reached his lines.

Correct me if I'm wrong

Cheers

Cees

Martin

Not sure what you are on about here. The G-6 owned by David Prewett was piloted by Oblt. Joseph Groene ( as far as can be confirmed), and he put the aircraft down with little damage on Lk. Swiblo.
Chris Kelly has the G-2 wreck, which was flown by Uffz.Emil Hein , who escaped to his own lines on skis.
I did over a years research for the 'Classic Wings' series on the surviving 109s, including getting a shot of the Kelly 109 'in situ' from Russia. If you would like a copy that features the Oz machines, PM me.

Dave

Dave

I am talking about this one:

http://www.aviatorsale.com/aix2704/

this is the aircraft of Uffz. Herbert Maxis, "white 13" WNr.784993 who made a crashlanding near Ittersdorf. There exist 15-20 Photos of this aircraft taken by a member of the 739th Field Artillery Batallion. On these photos, oner can clearly see parts of the WNr, i.e. 7?4?93. In addition to that, there exist claims of the 455th AAA where is also mentioned that the German pilot was shot by a member of that unit.
What happened to this pilot thereafter is unknown - therefore he is still MIA.

Martin

Ah.... Ok, confusion stems from the '109 for Sale in Australia'. The 'original' is in Germany and is the Raymond Wagner aircraft, which he has been working on since 1987. The aircraft crash landed and the pilot taken prisoner, but was later posted missing. Aircraft was dumped in a tank trap by a farmer post war. No human remains were reported found during the recovery, but not all of it could be recovered due to its position for some reason. It did stay for some months in its original crash landed position, so not likely the pilot was just left in the cockpit, with the land being worked by the farmer I would think ?
The aircraft is around 90% finished now,but Wagner has lost interest and offered it for sale. He seemed to switch between the G-14 and his intended K-4 project which stalled the whole thing.
Should it be for sale?....is it likely the fate of Maxis will ever be known ? Hard to say, but it pales into insignificance when you look at what goes on in the former Eastern Bloc. Mind you we never experienced what 'Total War' was about like they did.

Dave

I like this particular view of the Miller 109:s.

http://www.web-birds.com/miller/rm-004.jpg

rgds,

Juke