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I wish I could go for more days. I just don't see it happening. I'll know better next week.


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While I would generally agree about skipping the museum and visiting it at another time, be sure to check out the presentations going on at the museum and see if there are any that interest you:

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Zack,

I plan on taking the boys to see Bud Anderson and Gunther Rall speak on the 27th. Are the presentations in the eagle hanger just that....public speaking engagements? What about the "author's corner...is that more of a one-on-one meeting with the speakers? What I'm trying to get at is that my oldest son wanted to ask Mr. Rall and Mr. Anderson some questions for next year's National History Day project and this would be a perfect opportunity. If you have any ideas or suggestions I'd greatly appreciate it!

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Go to the Seaplane Base for a cool break.

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Zack,

I plan on taking the boys to see Bud Anderson and Gunther Rall speak on the 27th. Are the presentations in the eagle hanger just that....public speaking engagements? What about the "author's corner...is that more of a one-on-one meeting with the speakers? What I'm trying to get at is that my oldest son wanted to ask Mr. Rall and Mr. Anderson some questions for next year's National History Day project and this would be a perfect opportunity. If you have any ideas or suggestions I'd greatly appreciate it!

John[/quote]

Hi John,

The Eagle Hangar presentations are large public speaking events, but there is usually a bit of time at the end for a question-&-answer session. The Authors Corner is one on one meetings where you have to stand in line and usually buy a book from the author and have them sign it. I suspect your son could ask Bud a question and he'd answer, but I do not know Gunther Rall and couldn't say how he would react one way or the other. Bud Anderson is a great guy though and very approachable.

If you can stay on Friday night, they are both part of an aces panel discussion at the Theater in the Woods at 7:30pm or so. Tex Hill and Shorty Rankin will also be talking. The dogfight on May 12, 1944 when Shorty knocked down 5 EA was the same fight that Rall was shot down by one of the other 56th FG pilots. Rankin and Rall are good friends today and should have some great stories to tell and of course Tex Hill is a great speaker as well.

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Thanks for the info Zack...it was a big help!!! 8)

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My first vist to OSH was in 2000 and I was racing all over the place, played myself out but I loved every minute, there is so much to see and it's overwhelming each time I go.

Pick you favorites and stick to them, after the first visit, you'll be back and back. I intend to go each year.

I love warbirds, so the warbird area and the warbirds in review are a treat for me, the airshow is awesome and after 5 years at OSh I still have to see it all.

I've started a Ohskosh web site as a guide perhaps it'll help a bithttp://upaero.com/oshkosh.html
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Only one day? !!!
:cry: i have been many times and had the misfortune of going for one day only a couple of years ago. Okay here's the deal. First go straight to the warbird area first. Take a brief look at anything that has an unusually large crowd around it. This means it is either something really special like the TP-51C , a Helldiver, or something no one new even knew still existed, let alone being restored. Or it means a Gunther Rall or BoB hoover type person is doing a tv interview in front of something they once flew. Great way to see some of the living legends.
2) then make a bee line to the hard surface parking where the jets and Bearcats park. They close this ramp all the time, so if you wait you may not get a look at something special like an FJ Fury or Panther. Don't slow down for anything common like an L-39. After looking at the jets, make your way to the fighters in the grass like P-40's and Spitfires, maybe a Corsair or two.
3) The bomber area in the grass is where you may find something on your "always wanted to see one up close" list. Ex; PBY catalinas, Or an Albatross, or Junkers Ju-52 or C-123 Provider. Not as crowded.
4) Then of course is the P-51, T-6 and T-34., T-28, and Yak parking. Many great aircraft, but you can see these at your local show. I usually only stop to admire the ones that are absolutely eye-popping knock outs and have a crowd of people around them. They often close these flightlines or the planes leave to do photo shoots and land elsewhere, so take time to see what you really want to see.
4) Walking down the flightline going south, you will be in front of the security fence, this takes you through the replica warbird area, the W.W.I replica area and the classic homebuilt area. (airplanes like the Dyke Delta and Rutan Variviggen.) NOt crowded and you are walking very close to the flightline and can see the show.
5) keep going until you get to airshow central. Take a good look at what they have on the hard surfaced area. These airplanes will be there all week. Might be a Connie, C-97, C-17, or something being phased out of the service like a C-141 or F-14, SOmetimes there's a Dauntless or some other fresh restoration in there and you don't want to miss it.
6) Continuing south is the Antique aircraft section with many airplanes you will fall in love with at first sight. Staggerwings , Howard DGA's and Stinson Gullwings that are restored to an unimaginably high level. Supple leather interiors and luxury. Some of the Beech 18's and Lockheed interiors are mouth watering not to mention the aircraft are gorgeous and look better than new on the outside. Lots of warbirds down here also. Primary trainers, like Chipmunks Buckers, Fleets, Ryans, Timms, Stearnans and Wacos. Many of these civvies had wartime roles too.
7) Continuing south is the antique transport parking (Grumman Mallards, Stinson Tri-motors, and DC-3's) also the classic airplanes are down this way.
8) From here you can progress further south to the ultralight field or catch a shuttle to the Seaplane Base. The seaplane base is awesome. They have good food, big shade trees and over a 100 seaplanes. I usually grab lunch under s shade tree, rest my feet and watch the water operations.
YOu will see everything from Cubs on floats to Seabees to grumman Widgeons or Albatrosses splashing right in front of you.
9) Back on the shuttle to the big field. Take time to think about the airplanes that "blew your mind" earlier in the day. I usually go back to those again for another look. Of course that means going back to the warbird line, and while there I try to make an effort to go thto the north east corner which is where all the L birds, trainers, liason etc are parked.
10) Usually a few of each Bt-13's Chipmunks, Navions, military Supercubs like the L-18 and L-21 and an occasional super rarity like a Pt-16, Bucker BU-181 Bestmann, Fieselor Storch, or Bf-108. Lots of really special airplanes in there. There are always a few imported airplanes that I get stumped on, like the Slingsby Firefly, Winjeel, IAR 823, Howard Nh-1 Nightingale, Yak-12 (PZL 101) or Stampe SVC mixed in with all the old favorites. great place to spend some time.
Skip the fly market and the new aircraft area as you don't have time. Best of luck, wish I was going.


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My last visit to Osh by Gosh was back in 1998. I've seen the reference several times "if your an EAA member" and as I recall during my 1990's visits you had to be a member to get past the vendor and dealer aircraft displays, otherwise, as a non-EAA member, you can't get out to the Warbirds, Vintage, etc.

Has that changed since then? I'd hate to hear that Django got there for his one day trip, only to pay much more than he expected, or was unable to buy a membership and was stuck in the back forty...........

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Only one day? !!!
The seaplane base is awesome. They have good food, big shade trees and over a 100 seaplanes. I usually grab lunch under s shade tree, rest my feet and watch the water operations.


You crammed all that prior to lunch!? :lol: Impressive! Good tips, thanks!


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I will be there for four days. And I still won't come close to seeing everything. if one day is all you can do, that is still cool. There are people that wish they could get that. The seaplane base is awsome. Also don't miss the EAA museum. Behind the museum is the Pioneer Airport, and the sell rides in their fleet of Bell 47's. They fly you down to the show in them, and you can get some great pics. It is only like $40.00

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Roger Cain wrote:
My last visit to Osh by Gosh was back in 1998. I've seen the reference several times "if your an EAA member" and as I recall during my 1990's visits you had to be a member to get past the vendor and dealer aircraft displays, otherwise, as a non-EAA member, you can't get out to the Warbirds, Vintage, etc.

Has that changed since then? I'd hate to hear that Django got there for his one day trip, only to pay much more than he expected, or was unable to buy a membership and was stuck in the back forty...........


It used to be like that back before it was renamed "Airventure". I remember attending EAA every year as a kid in the late 70's and early 80's. It didn't cost you anything to get on the grounds but in order to get on the flight line you had to have either a weekly flight line pass or a day pass. This flight line pass allowed you to see the parked warbirds and other aircraft up close.

Now things are different...you need a ticket just to get on the EAA grounds. This ticket pretty much gives you access to everything at the airshow.

Hope this helps!

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I thin kit is worth it to be a member if you wish to support the EAA(a good thing to do), and are going to be there for a few days, as alot of things are discouonted for EAA members. I became a Lifetime Member just this last year.

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Quick Note.
No Warbird Show on Thursday, so you might want to try another day.
Still plenty to see if that is the only day you can make it.
EAA's Warbirds of America has lots of info on AirVenture on their website here:
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/events/airventure.html

On a side note I avoid the ZAUG's food service, but I am slightly prejudiced against dropping $8.00 on a Cheeseburger and fries...


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John, I once had breakfast with Gunther Rall. He seemed to be very much a gentleman, his English is pretty good.

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I want to thank everyone for all the helpful tips! We left Chicago at 5:30am and by 10 am, we were under the wing of Ol' 927 talking to Gary. I was stoked to see her at the show and glad to hang with Gary again (which unfortunately wasn't as long as I would have liked).

The weather wasn't the greatest, but it could have been far worse. I'm glad the sun was hiding most of the day because when it did come for a bit, it got really hot in the WWII flight suits we were wearing. Thanks to Steve Dennis for delivery of my new toy in the brown parking lot. And thanks to Zack and his wife for the very cool bbq! It was really great to meet so many WIXers in person. Gary asked me to pass along his regrets that he wasn't able to make the bbq. I know he really was looking forward to it after all the support WIX has given him.

We stayed way later than we should have and I got home about Midnight. Long day! :lol:


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