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[bugazon]

Bill has asked and stated some very political statements which was to make the other side get angry, hence forth, NO POLITICAL TOPICS. I respect the people here and enjoy the topics, somethings are best left unsaid in a public area where all political affiiations are present. But that is why some WIX'ers are quick to jump at a question on this topic.

[Jack Cook]

What does that have to do with asking if anyone saw a movie???

[Ollie]

I feel so rural today.

[rwdfresno]

What does that have to do with asking if anyone saw a movie???

I think it is along the same lines as having a discussion about a "Girls Gone Wild" video in a forum that kindly asks people not to discuss porrnnography. It is just a way of getting under the political discussion wire under the guise of talking about entertainment just as the nuclear debate not so cleverly disguised as discussion about a warbird display. When considering a persons motivations it is a good idea to put their actions in the context of their previous actions. Bill is a nice enough guy but I do think that he is purposely provocative when it comes to several of his posts that have political undertones. That is all fine and dandy if you are in a forum friendly to political discussions but I think we have all been asked kindly on several occasions to keep politics out of this forum. It is especially annoying to me because while he sneaks under the radar with the provocative pseudo political posts and then when they are answered by people who are just straight forward and answer back with a political debate the thread goes bye bye.

[Jack Cook]

I think if he asked if anyone had seen the Simpson's movie he'd get jumped
Jack who's maybe just a simpleton

[rwdfresno]

I think if he asked if anyone had seen the Simpson's movie he'd get jumped

Probably not however "The Simpsons" movie isn't a hot button issue in this forum and politics are, and this film is a political opinion piece. Anyhow, in the grand scheme of things I could really care less because I have my own personal filter but I just wanted to comment on on why people get so "revved up" about this post and similar posts.

Anyhow, Happy flying!

[Elroy13]

I echo Jack's pbservation. Did anyone here edit Bill's original post? Is there something else somewhere that led to the outburst?
Holy heaven...there are times around here where it's ridiculous to even mention anything not air-related.

I was wondering if Bill edited his post...makes sense. BILL??

[Bill Greenwood]

My son and several other people had seen the movie and reccomended it. I saw it and did not really enjoy it. I was interested in what others thought about it, that is going on the assumption that others actually thought. My post was not edited.

[tom d. friedman]

micheal moore is a big fat hairy ego maniac slob who will trash anything that strikes a nerve to the u.s. public.. granted....... his heart is in the right place, but his delivery of his opinion is way off base.

[fotobass]

I personally believe our healthcare's infrastructure is far worse than it could be as far as having the end result be patient care. Too many indivivual interests have a finger in the pie.

Having said that Michael Moore dilutes the varaxcity of his opinion in such moments as trying to get into Gitmo with sick Americans in order to 'try' and get them healthcare.

[Bill Greenwood]

I tend to feel as Tom and Joe about the movie. Maybe it is a subject that needs to be covered, but it is not exactly a fun evening.

[oscardeuce]

I personally believe our healthcare's infrastructure is far worse than it could be as far as having the end result be patient care..

You say that based on what?

I'm not saying the system is perfect, but after 12 years on the "front lines" I know just a little about the system.

More people come to the US for care than go else where. The training in our medical schools and residencies is the best in the world.

I've treated 1000's without insurance, and overall I collect about 30% of what I bill. The feds basically mandate what you can bill based on local information. I am not raking it in in Hollywood making faces younger or breasts larger. I am the face you see with chest pain. Any of you out there run a business collecting 30 cents for every dollar? Anyone know a business that will survive in that environment?

I am not perfect, but I give you my best each and every time I treat you.

Remember Mr Moore takes the exception, and tries to make it the rule. That's why I will not watch his movie. Do bad outcomes occur, or patients fall through the cracks, yes; however, they are the exception not the rule, and you can bet we are doing everything we can do to minimize that.

I was in a car accident where a snow plow went through a red light and hit me. The next week, my mailbox was full of info from personal injury lawyers. None of it requested by my or my family. I got my car fixed, and a couple of hundred dollars to make up for the time I lost at work, and getting the car fixed. A few months ago, I had my tires rotated. The tech did not get the lug nuts tight, and the wheel departed the car at 35 mph, shredding the front end. All I asked was they fix my car. I did not sue them for 10's of thousands of dollar ( which I could have). They fixed their mistake, and we went on. No lawyers, and my car looks just like it did before the accident.

[bugazon]

I did not see the movie but I can tell you this, the lawyers and Insurance companies are what makes medical expensive. I manage a autobody shop and deal with insurance companys that are always telling us how to repair vehicles, not willing to pay for procedures that are done, trying to make us pay for rentals when they feel the repairs took too long per they're formula even though I have no agreement with them, and telling us they only pay "X" amount for labor rates. This goes the same for Doctors in the medical industry, except its not a car, Its you. Insurance companies have all the money and lawyers so little bodyshop guy, me, or doctors, will never have enough resources to fight them. Ban together and fight them you say. Ahh, the anti-trust law says I cannot talk to other shops about a specific insurance company , and we may not ban together to do "x" against said insurance company.
Now, on the other side you have lawyers that always sue doctors for somethings that are simply, not they're fault. I.E. John Edwards case on Cerebal Palsey I believe. Big money paid out to him, little payment to familys, Medical industry is hurt and all based on bad science. Or if some complication arises or a doctor misses something, generally that person sues. Lawyers go for the jugular for the most amount possible. That drives up insurance rates for everyone, doctors are less inclined to try different procedures. Plus your medical insurance is telling your doctor what procedures they can and can't do on you, per there formula of diagnosis. And Lawyers....no can legislate against lawyers. They have the biggest lobbiest in capitol hill. They are untouchable.
I believe if Lawyers were limited in the types of lawsuits and amount of money they can ask for, that would change the dynamic of our medical system by making it more affordable. Insurance companies should have some laws put in place against them so they may not Dictate what procedurs your body needs. That should be left to the doctors. I believe everyone needs to buy they're own insurance and we should have our society help in emergency situations only for the non-insured. And I said help, not pay. You don't get the government to pay for your car insurance. Nor do I believe the government should pay for medical insurance. Moore wants a government paid medical system. Gee, makes me raise the question, how much money did he donate to charities and the people involved with the Columbine movie? What percentage of his movie profits go to medical research or aid charities? Probably little if any. Yes are system is not perfect, but its better then what he is trying to sell us. Sorry for the long post, but the insurance / lawyer thing always strikes a chord with me.

[oscardeuce]

My insurance rates:
2002 6 Emergency Physician group all Board Certified, no losses
$60,000

2004 Same group, Medical Malrpractice Insurance $400,000, no losses

That is about $38/patient just in insurance. Add the cost of your nurse, the Overhead to run, staff an emergency department, and oh yeah, the doctors charges and you can see why it is expensive.

Remember... you get what you pay for.

[Bill Greenwood]

Bugazon, much of what you say may be true, medical and ins costs are high. However is your statement about John Edwards and setlement true and factual, that he got the majority and families got little. Do you have the amounts on these cases? I doubt if he got more than half, and I wonder what the view of the families he won for is? Are they satisfied?