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Regarding N16KL, here is the official NTSB accident report:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_i ... 1356&key=1

Within the report, it states:

"FLOOR OF SHALLOW LAGOON KNOWN TO HAVE SCATTERED DEBRIS FROM PETROLEM EXPLORATIONS; HOWEVER, NO POSITIVE DETERMINATION OF ACFT CONTACT WITH SUBMERGED OBJECT COULD BE MADE."

Within the report, it states that 7 crewmembers were fatally injured and 3 survived. Are any of those 3 still with the CAF, or were they photographers, passengers, etc. Just curious.

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Robbie

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I found another envelope of photos from our trip in '84. These were taken at the Brownsville airport I believe. Sure wish I'd marked some of these pictures.











Scott

Cool! Going a bit off topic but...
I think I have seen those birds...but I think it was at McAllen

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Thanks Zane, I'll mark my photos accordingly. We took the trip to McAllen when we were there, so it all fits together.

Scott

Were any of those DC-3's/C-47's one of the ones that was put up for auction by the city or county about a year or so ago? This was the same auction in which Gary saved the PBY that was transferred to the "Petting Zoo" at Lake Austin.

If so, who eventually bought that DC-3?

warbird1,

I was in error when I posted those photos as being from Brownsville, they were actually at McAllen per Ztex's post. I think the stuff that was auctioned at Harlingen had been at Harlingen for quite a while, but I don't know how long. Maybe Gary could fill us in on the timeframe.

Sorry about my misidentification,
Scott

Unfortunately, scrappers got the DC-3's. I was too late to save much of anything from them, but did manage to save a small part of one of the ol' Gooney Birds. It is mentioned in a thread or two somewhere here on WIX, but I'm just too lazy to look them all up right now.

Gary

No problem, I was just curious. At least Gary was able to save the PBY, which is much more rare than the DC-3. Not that a DC-3 is unworthy of saving, however!

We owned the DC-3 N50E back in the late 80s. Since have sold it and I don't now where it is now.

What a fun airplane!

I walk by an in-flight photo of it every day.

http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=11180&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=c47

N89HA



http://www.questmasters.us/C-47A_43-15137.html

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N89HA was one of two old Hagan Air DCc-3s based at Brownsville in the mid 1980s. They were used to fly electronics in to Mexico by a most colorful group of pilots. They mainly used Cessna 206 and 207s flying in flights of up to 8 or 9 ships at once. DC-3 N23WT was also based there for the same use.

Here is a photo of them towing a C207 with another C207 back from the beach in Mexico after it had engine problems. I knew both pilots and it's not a photo shop creation.

Jim

Would that be R.E. McClure flying that C207?

The pilot flying the first C207 was Bob McClean and Buddy Maddox in the second. They did it twice in one week. From what I understand they took the prop off the towed airplane the first time and this picture is of the secand trip. I was not there but was told the second trip ended in engine failure of the tow plane just as they made the Brownsville airport.

Jim

These were taken from a news segment I taped off a Chicago TV station back in the summer of 1981. The CAF was visiting the Rockford, IL airshow:

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