Football Game Flyovers

spookythecat · **Posted:** Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:41 pm

Bluedharma wrote:

skymstr02 wrote:

Bluedharma wrote:

It would be a win for me because I would know that there would be a flyover with more than 15 hours notice.

Now you are getting into a national security issue. The USAF cannot advertise its missions in advance.

Skymstr02: Point taken.
You are right... You can't have it all, and I did fine with 15 hours notice.
Best Regards,

I wish I had had more than 0 seconds to know about the CF-18 flyover of Safeco Field on Canada Day.

Jesse C. · **Posted:** Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:32 pm

As a Tax Payer, I approve!

Now bring in the Dancing Girls!

Ken · **Posted:** Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:52 pm

Randy Haskin wrote:

There are many elements to planning and executing a mission that requires you to be in a certain place at a VERY precise time. For example...if I wanted to deliver a bomb at a very precise place at a very precise time.

Folks who haven't done this might appreciate that our zest for "on time" includes asking the user - is the time on target (TOT) the time you want the aircraft overhead or the time you want the first paratrooper on the ground? I suspect Randy and his gang may have similar time of fall calculations for their missions.

Several years ago I was sitting in the control tower at our base acting as an ops laison during an exercise. One of the controllers asked, "When are they going to start engines?" I looked at my watch and my mission card and said, "Looks like the first prop will turn in 45 seconds." They laughed like I was pulling their leg - even though they'd worked in the tower for some time and knew we had specific departure times, etc. Of course I bit my lip a little and hoped no one was broke - that they were still on schedule. Well, in an inch, in a mile. I threw in a 5,4,3,2,1 countdown, and we watched the #3 props on 6 Herks spin simultaneously. A thing of beauty. Whew! Funny story, but an example of how seriously we take concepts like time control and formation integrity. All that practice pays off when the rubber hits the road.

Ken

Hellcat · **Posted:** Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:17 pm

rwdfresno wrote:

I get so tired of people just picking some arbitrary guesses out of their pocket and using them as some sort of credible statistic Ryan

Be careful and don't get too tired, but I never said 9 out of 10 was any sort of a "credible statistic", and yes I probably should have put a "probably 9 out of 10" in that line, but I would tend to make a good guess that in today's economy, I'm probably close. But I could be wrong again ... :wink:

Maybe it's better to state that 9 out of 10 "probably" have no idea that those flight hours have already been paid for and that they will be lost if not used. Again, don't get me wrong here, I'm NOT complaining. I usually enjoy the fly-overs better than the game anyway. ... lolol

rwdfresno · **Posted:** Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:03 pm

Yes you probably should have. If I was to guess I'd say that a good amount of people that see the flyovers don't really put much thought into how much it costs or even what they are seeing. Many could very well be thinking think "wow cool airplane...hey HOT DOG OVER HERE!"
:wink:

Ryan

Hellcat · **Posted:** Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:58 pm

rwdfresno wrote:

I'd say that a good amount of people that see the flyovers don't really put much thought into how much it costs or even what they are seeing. Many could very well be thinking think "wow cool airplane...hey HOT DOG OVER HERE!"
:wink:

Ryan

As opposed to talking about the Blue Angels flying over San Francisco. Many love the show, many hate the show ..... :wink:

SF is one of my favorite shows.

The Inspector · **Posted:** Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:35 pm

Spooky,
Then you'll remember when one of the Whidbey based VAQ's did a four ship EA 6B flyover of either a SEAHAWKS or MARINERS game in Seattle a year or so after 9/11 and just about everyone in the stands freaked out and started their 'chicken little' dance ( yes EA6's are a wee bit loud)thinking that the field, or Seattle, or STARGAKS was being bombed, little did they really know that all the bombing that day took place on the field of play as the 'HAWKS weren't that good then and the M's never have been- :roll:

Bluedharma · **Posted:** Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:15 am

Last question:
What happens when 1,000 balloons ignore the TFR?
Does that mess with the engines?
Or is latex irrelevant?

Best Regards,

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:55 am

rwdfresno wrote:

Yes you probably should have. If I was to guess I'd say that a good amount of people that see the flyovers don't really put much thought into how much it costs or even what they are seeing. Many could very well be thinking think "wow cool airplane...hey HOT DOG OVER HERE!"
:wink:

Ryan

Hey I know what you mean at large events, I tend to get ADD and sometime.....hey look a cookie :lol:

Randy Haskin · **Posted:** Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:19 am

Ken wrote:

Several years ago I was sitting in the control tower at our base acting as an ops laison during an exercise. One of the controllers asked, "When are they going to start engines?" I looked at my watch and my mission card and said, "Looks like the first prop will turn in 45 seconds." They laughed like I was pulling their leg - even though they'd worked in the tower for some time and knew we had specific departure times, etc. Of course I bit my lip a little and hoped no one was broke - that they were still on schedule. Well, in an inch, in a mile. I threw in a 5,4,3,2,1 countdown, and we watched the #3 props on 6 Herks spin simultaneously. A thing of beauty. Whew! Funny story, but an example of how seriously we take concepts like time control and formation integrity. All that practice pays off when the rubber hits the road.

Great example. Had to have felt pretty good!

In the fighter community the clock is sacred. Everything -- just as in your story -- happens precisely at a pre-planned and briefed time to the maximum extent possible.

CAPFlyer · **Posted:** Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:26 am

That is so true. This year at AirSho, Texas Flight (a pair of ANG F-16s) hit the fly-by on the Anthem to the second both days. Pretty danged impressive, especially for guys who don't do it all the time.

DougB · **Posted:** Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:11 pm

Let's see, Jack Roush has a couple mustangs and probably knows a few other people who do also. I wonder if he and NASCAR can put together an 8 ship fly by before a race.

Bluedharma · **Posted:** Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:55 pm

skymstr02 wrote:

Ken wrote:

The airspace over a large event will no doubt be congested with news helos, blimps, tall buildings, airliners flying to downtown airports, whatever.

Actually, there is a TFR in effect from before to a point in time after the event where the airspace is considered sterile.

If there is a TFR, how much time does that need to be declared in advance?
Once again this Sunday, I hear these jets fly over... run out and see this...

I would have loved to get more pictures of some F-22 (or at least some good ones).
There was no announcement of the flyover on the air force web pages.
I can check for TFR during home Football games, but how much notice do they give? Are not all Football games a restricted flight zone during game time?
Thanks for any input/advice...

Dasher · **Joined:** Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:01 pm **Posts:** 58

No!!! ... the Government does NOT pay for it, WE taxpayers pay for it. Period!!!! .... don't get confused.

In a democracy .. WE are the government.

Bluedharma · **Posted:** Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:39 pm

Sorry,
I think most of the thread acknowledges that it is money well spent by the taxpayer.
Better for us all to see what we are paying for, than not see it at all.

My question...(as I am not a pilot) is how much notice is provided on a TFR in the states?
Is it 12Hours, or less?
Best Regards,

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