Jack Cook Bait

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:47 am

The first through the sound barrier.

The first to 25

The best fighter pilot

Despite what you see in the forumns, Jack and I actually e-mail eachother and are buds. We just know how to push eachother's buttons.

Hellcat · **Posted:** Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:51 am

haha!!!! .... As James Colburn said to Mel Gibson in Payback ... "that's just mean man" ....

n5151ts · **Posted:** Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:02 pm

...although he was a very good pilot, I'm not sure that "wild bill" Kelso was the best fighter pilot.

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:07 pm

Now that is just funny.

Dudley Henriques · **Posted:** Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:41 pm

[quote="mustangdriver"]

The first through the sound barrier.

I hate to post this as it sometimes causes a storm with Yeager fans, but Yeager wasn't the first through the sound barrier. George Welch went Mach 1 on a flight in the F86 prototype the week before.
Yeager was the first to break Mach1 in level flight.

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:47 pm

Except no one was there to see it. No proof, no record. Not my rules, but the rules of NACA

Dudley Henriques · **Posted:** Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:59 pm

mustangdriver wrote:

Except no one was there to see it. No proof, no record. Not my rules, but the rules of NACA

Sorry, this is incorrect. There were more than several North American tech reps, Bell technicians, Bell Test Pilots, and assorted others at Panchos the day of Welch's flight. The boom was expected and it was witnessed.
Anyone doing serious research on the incident will come up with a virtual ton of "proof" that george Welch did indeed break Mach 1 the week before yeager did it in the X1.

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:05 pm

Sorry, no. See the X-1 had been ready for a run at the sound barrier for a good month and a half. NACA said that in order for the record to hold up that their testing equipment would have to be present at the time of the attempt. Hearing a boom is not good enough. The X-1 team had to wait for a good while until NACA made their equipment available. They did on the day that Yeager broke the Sound barrier. Without their equipment-no sound barrier. That was the motto of NACA not anyone else because claims were being made that the X-1 had already broke the sound barrier. It is my opinion that some take a dislike to Yeager, but trying to take this away from him, also takes the record away from the rest of the team that worked very hard to get the X-1 through the sound barrier.

And at any rate, this thread was started as a joke for Jack Cook not to actually disput anything.

Dudley Henriques · **Posted:** Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:09 pm

mustangdriver wrote:

Sorry, no. See the X-1 had been ready for a run at the sound barrier for a good month and a half. NACA said that in order for the record to hold up that their testing equipment would have to be present at the time of the attempt. Hearing a boom is not good enough. The X-1 team had to wait for a good while until NACA made their equipment available. They did on the day that Yeager broke the Sound barrier. Without their equipment-no sound barrier. That was the motto of NACA not anyone else because claims were being made that the X-1 had already broke the sound barrier. It is my opinion that some take a dislike to Yeager, but trying to take this away from him, also takes the record away from the rest of the team that worked very hard to get the X-1 through the sound barrier.

And at any rate, this thread was started as a joke for Jack Cook not to actually disput anything.

Nothing to dispute. I never argue this past the second response. I do suggest however that anyone seriously interested in the Yeager question spend some quality time researching the issue :-)

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mustangdriver · **Posted:** Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:12 pm

No worries, but I talked to Yeager face to face, He told me what you see above. I talked to Hoover who said the same exact thing. That is good enough for me. Does that count as research?

Dudley Henriques · **Posted:** Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:26 pm

mustangdriver wrote:

No worries, but I talked to Yeager face to face, He told me what you see above. I talked to Hoover who said the same exact thing. That is good enough for me. Does that count as research?

Whatever is good for you is fine with me.

Don't know Yeager, but Bob was a charter member of the old IFPF and is a great all around fellow. I wouldn't expect Hoover to get into the Welch question with anyone outside his own community, and knowing him through the IFPF as I do, I would never expect Bob to say anything that would discredit George Welch. He just doesn't do that....trust me :-)

I would expect any answer Bob would give outside the community to be carefully worded and as neutral to the situation as he could make that answer.

No problem with our disagreement. I suggest we just let it go at this point and move on to something we might agree on a bit better :-)

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:31 pm

Cool. I saw the B-25 Wild Cargo in person. It looks sweet.

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